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2 years 20 weeks ago, 3:40 PM

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Being the oldest fart and perhaps the most irritating know-it-all around this community I thought it would be good to let it all hang out, and ask for recomendations.

Even though I have been extremely lucky as far as physical health is concerned, sometimes an under the radar earlier injury can make for some new set of pains. Some of the pains can be annoying and trivial, unless they get in the way of a cherished avocation.
The good news is a bad right knee from football, surprisingly does not hurt my golf swing,
The bad news is a bad right shoulder [rotator cuff] from baseball, now gives me real pain from the recoil of an M4, but strangely, not much of a problem with my 870, 20gauge tactical.

So, the question is--Is there a medium caliber/ rifle [maybe like the .300 Whisper] that has significantly less recoil and still perform OK out to ~ 200 yards??

Thanks for your input............

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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LLE

Sure sounds odd that a M4 gives you more discomfort than a 20ga. Have you compared the length of pull, stock angle, etc......
Might just be the position of your shoulder and right arm more than actual recoil.
I would doubt that the .30 cal whisper would offer much in recoil reduction comared to the 5.56/.223.
Good luck.

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 7:13 PM

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I thought I could figure it out, but no luck so far. The way the M4 fits with the adjustable butt, and a Limb Saver on the end, I kept trying different lengths and positions of BOTH arms, and the usual one on getting the butt "as close to your neck" as you can without breaking your clavicle or scapula. The 870 [also adjustable] just seems to fit me better, and seems to send the impulse in a different direction, but I can't seem to figure out why.
I may have to design a snubby rocket propelled rifle round that works like a bazooka, or maybe a mini recoiless rifle.. ;0))

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 8:10 PM

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A quandry for sure. Maybe you just need a pump action .223. : )
Seriously, I'm intrigued. The recoil reduction of the semi auto compared to the manual operation of the 870 along with the substantial difference in projectile weight just doesn't add up. If something of sustance comes to mind I'll get back with you on this.

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 9:55 PM

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LLE-go to eye doctor!

Your holding your M4 backwards!

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 11:18 PM

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Body mechanics

with your length to the trigger your rotators cuff may be on a soft spot. Also the clavicle may cause discomfort with your should position. the acromioclavicular joint causes balance in that area. I would expect some neck issues eventually.
My advice is to try each position on a collapsible stock to see which position aligns you properly where the glenohumeral joint will experience less pressure both on the tendon an the damaged rotator.
Measure the length of pull on the shotgun which does not bother you, then adjust the stock to the same length. Should work.

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 2:42 PM

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you are an orthopaedic surgeon. Thank you.

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 10:41 PM

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not an ortho

I did a rotation (everyone had to) in school. I went for Pathology. Im on the Biochemical physiology end of my studies. I have a lot of useless information in my head. Im working in Hematology right now.

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 3:31 AM

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You are right on with your advice (my opinion). LLE, I had rotator cuff problem in right should. I could shoot a duck all day long with a 12 gage LYING DOWN. As soon as I shot the same gun standing up or on my knees or upside down for that matter the pain in my shoulder was brutal. I had an mri done on my neck and the c5 and c6 vertebrea in my neck was causing my rotator cuff issues by cutting of nerve sensors to the shoulder area. It all had to do with the position of my neck while shooting. In a lying down position I stretched my neck farther forward (keeping out of the soft spot). Standing or kneeling I put my neck on the soft spot. Had neck surgery to fix the c5 and c6 and walah, no more pain at all in my shoulder. I still can't hit ANYTHING but hey NO MORE PAIN. LLE go to your doctor and check your neck. Hope this helps.

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 2:58 PM

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Beaver-- Well said

In 2012, I let my Doc check my head, and that ended up with some really good news. We confirmed that I do have a brain, and that after a small surgical procedure, my brain is working very well.
The problem in 2013 may be that an ObamaCare panel will decide I should not fire a large caliber rifle [which in the Obama administratiion is known as an "ASSAULT RIFLE"]

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 10:36 PM

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Back injuries

Trimming that bulge or fusing is great. Will really add to your mobility. With imaging technology the surgeries are becoming routine, like changing a tire. Good to hear you are feeling good

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 10:00 AM

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arthro routine, four weeks ago. Admittedy it was a gigantic tear, but her pain level has been horrendous. I understand you are describing a different procedure, but since the condition does not interfere with my golf game, I think I'll pass. [I try to keep surgical insults down to one, per twelve month period, and my meningioma pop-out was last March].

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 11:51 PM

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Surgery -Last Option

If you can deal with the injury, never get the surgery. Wait until you quality of life is an issue. Swelling occurs and no one can predict what the outcome will be after inflammation and scarring is complete.

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 5:13 AM

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all good info

Have that Doc check for holes thru your shoulder as well.

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 2:39 PM

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yesterday, but the posting somehow never made it thru ciberspace?? I did say that I looked carefully and could find no 5.56 holes in my shoulder area.

Thank you for your potential diagnosis!!

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 10:06 AM

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Works great. Up and about same day.
Unfortunately I now have to have my right hip/joint socket replaced.
I have my house for sale so will wait until I get moved to have it done.
I am bone on bone and it hurts only when I move, lay down or sit. I just got an Rx for hydro-contin, but have been holding off until Naproxen no longer works.

LLE heed your Drs advice, when we are Bionic men I would love to go shooting with you and whoever we can round up.

Take care all. Old age is the shits.

2 years 19 weeks ago, 12:10 PM

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I probably should have had my right one looked at a long time ago, but losing about 60 lbs, seemed to help a great deal. Hip replacement seems to be fairly routine, now, as long as you have researched the long term reliability figures of the hardware involved.
Annie is recovering well now. Surgeon is very pleased, and her pain level is rapidly descending now. She is practicing one hand [9mm] shooting, with the left hand, and is doing a lot better than she thought she would. The little Taurus 709slim seems to fit her small hand very well, and is surprisingly accurate.

If we don't sell the little Winnebago, we might plan a trip west, for a Front Sight redux, so maybe we can get together with some of the troops at Ben Avery.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 10:02 PM

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Sam, I am sorry

to hear of your potential surgery woes, I received your emails but have been at a loss to respond. My sister had a stroke due to an Aneurysm on her brain and the family has been on "pin's and needles" for the last few months. They operated (cut her head open) and all is well for the mean time, we will see how it goes......

Take care

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 9:26 AM

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So sorry about your sis. I will keep her in my special place as I am not a praying man, but I am sure our creator will help her through.
My surgery is so minor compared to this.
Hang in there my brother.
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2 years 16 weeks ago, 11:51 PM

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Could be a neck issue.

Have you thought of checking into a consult with a NULA Chiropractor? I don't remember what it stands for but they are suposed to be generations ahead. Many "felt" pains are actually due to nerve issues in the spine.
Check weld on an M4 is way different than a shotgun. The height of your head and angle can deffinately affect felt recoil.

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