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3 years 50 weeks ago, 11:09 AM

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Teething

I was reading an article from Defense review this morning. The article mentioned a rifle was "teething". What does that mean?

Please be as specific as possible as i have never heard this term before.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 11:19 AM

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teething

I may be completely wrong, because I've never heard it either... was it in the context that the rifle was still in the break-in period?

teething, growing pains, break-in?

Do you have a link to the article?

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 11:25 AM

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here you go reaper

from defensereview.com

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Defense Review recently spoke to one of our professional contacts in the tactical firearms community, and he told us on the phone that the MK16/SCAR-L is for all practical purposes “dead”, meaning that it’s not likely to survive for very long, and that the SCAR weapons are continuing to experience teething problems in the field, i.e. breaking down. We don’t have confirmation/verification on this yet, so it’s just a rumor at this point. Anything’s possible, but we’ve spoken with people in the U.S. military Special Operations community who prefer either the AR-config HK416 (also written HK 416) for a gas piston/op-rod carbine/SBR solution or a good old-fashioned DGI Colt SOPMOD M4A1 Carbine or MK18 CQBR SBR for a DGI solution.

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here is a link to the entire article: http://www.defensereview.com/are-the-fn-scar-weapons-mk16-and-mk17-neces...

I know it says "breaking down", but that is pretty generic, and as reported, rumor related to that rifle. I just want to know quantifies as teething.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 12:05 PM

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clint

I can't verify the source:

"The rumor is that the military has stopped the FN SCAR testing. The military stated that the weapon has "teething" problems, which means it is getting stoppages and/or malfunctions in the field."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091120072301AAm0ua6

I can't find any specifics about the kind of "break down" or "stoppages/malfunctions" they are experiencing

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 12:10 PM

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oh

just got your pm... reading now

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 12:13 PM

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Thanks Reaper,
I came up with the same information, but because of the unsubstantiated rumor about the SCAR, I was trying to leave the rifle out of it. A stoppage or malfunction can be caused by operator error. I want to know what considers teething as a term, not related to a specific rifle.

Rumors can be started by anyone for any number of political reasons. I know people that have a SCAR and abuse the crap out of them, no malfunctions. My curiosity will get the best of me and I shall continue the research. thanks again Reaper.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 1:02 PM

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SOCOM is adopting the MK-17
http://kitup.military.com/2010/08/scar-approved-for-full-rate-production...

SOCOM Cancels Mk-16 SCAR ditches the MK-16 < not enough improvements over M4 to justify swap.
http://kitup.military.com/2010/06/socom-cancels-mk-16-scar.html

Runs, exactly, heard the term used in production of a few different things over the years...

Relate "teething" as "growing pains" and or "fits" as issues out of left field cropping up...

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 12:44 PM

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would be the rifle experiencing problems and malfunctions from issues not anticipated by the designers. This will probably spawn the MK16A1/2/3 and so on, kinda like the teething problems experienced by the M16-series in Vietnam

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3 years 49 weeks ago, 11:33 AM

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I think runs is correct, teething, like with a baby, is the initial stages of deployment in order to truly field/battle test the equipment before a full deployment of the weapon to the troops. I think they are probably finding real world problems with the rifle and that the SCAR will probably need to be refined/revised to the SCAR-A1 (or something) with new features or changes that resolve some of the real world issues.

No amount of "simulated" tests can reveal all potential problems encountered on the battlefield.

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