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3 years 34 weeks ago, 3:11 PM

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AUSTIN, Texas — Texas is preparing to give college students and professors the right to carry guns on campus, adding momentum to a national campaign to open this part of society to firearms.

More than half the members of the Texas House have signed on as co-authors of a measure directing universities to allow concealed handguns. The Senate passed a similar bill in 2009 and is expected to do so again. Republican Gov. Rick Perry, who sometimes packs a pistol when he jogs, has said he's in favor of the idea.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/20/texas-guns-campus-colleges_n_82...

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3 years 34 weeks ago, 3:19 PM

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Are under 21 years of age which prohibits them from possesing a pistol. Go figure. That's why my youngest will have a hi cap short barrel shotty come fall. 20 ga.

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3 years 34 weeks ago, 4:34 PM

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Speaking of which

I saw a sign this mornin at the college entrance that says "No Firearms on Campus Grounds"
would that conflict with peoples second amendment rights? Or Conflict with those who are 21 with a CCL?

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 9:50 AM

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Depends

Depends State by State I think.

Here in Florida they have changed the Law to allow licensed concealed carry owners the right to lock their weapons in their cars anywhere because not allowing them to do so infringed on their rights in that they would not be able to posses the weapon in between starting point and location.

So now you can posses it in your Motor Vehicle in secure storage (read: glove box, console box, etc.)

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3 years 34 weeks ago, 12:26 AM

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In a word, YES! However, it is common practice throughout the country particularly in the aftermath of Columbine High School for States and other governmental agencies to prohibit the possession of ANY firearms on the grounds of ANY institution of learning. Be it a High School, an Elementary School, or a Jr. High (middle school) or even in many cases a College campus. Shortly after the Virginia Tech shooting a few years ago, I heard that there were several hundred firearms belonging to students locked in the school armory. Had these students been allowed to possess their arms, it is possible that the gunman may have wounded and killed many less than he did. Had School teachers been armed at Columbine, it is likely that the young men in that case would have still been dead but not by committing suicide, and again many fewer innocent deaths. In the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shooting some states have begun looking at allowing students and teachers on college campuses to carry concealed handguns on campus if they are licensed. I think some states have actually already passed the laws necessary to permit it, but not positive on it.

In Texas, a freshman lawmaker actually authored the current bill and submitted it prior to being sworn in. I saw this in a newspaper article that came up on a google search about a month or so ago. I think that he is from Longview but not positive on it. My personal opinion is that in the aftermath of Columbine, ALL teachers should be REQUIRED to obtain a CCL and to carry on campus to protect our children. Also I would encourage students who are eligible to obtain a CCL to do so and if their state and school permits, they should also carry. I realize that this may open a whole new can of worms, but, I believe that the majority of those who would actually follow through are those who have a head that is screwed on pretty straight and a pretty healthy respect for life in general. Not the taking of life.

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3 years 34 weeks ago, 12:33 AM

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Oh yeah,

In the case of the sign you saw, though I'm not sure about Virginia's laws, but I'm pretty sure that would include having the firearm in the trunk of your car or securely stored behind the seat of your pickup. Yes this would make the weapon unaccessible but in Texas, at the current time, not only can you not have the weapon on your person, you can't have it in the parking lot even if it is locked in your trunk. It is the only case that I am aware of where the law extends to the parking lot whether signs are posted or not. At the shopping mall, for instance unless there is a particular sign posted at every entrance of the parking lot, the parking lot is not considered part of the "premises."

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3 years 34 weeks ago, 12:13 PM

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to have CCWs on campus. I say allow any of them who want to, but don't make carrying a weapon a condition of their employment. They're teachers, not cops or soldiers.

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3 years 34 weeks ago, 10:27 PM

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Run, You may be right,

I'll not even try to argue that. It is simply my personal opinion and I respect yours. I agree that they are not cops or soldiers, but they are charged with our children and it is their responsibility (whether they like it or not) to keep them safe while in their care. It would be too easy for some stupid nut to decide that he or she is "going to get even with the world for all the wrongs" that have been done to them by everyone else and go into a school and just start shooting anyone who moved.

Most of the public schools here only have ONE police officer on campus. It would not be too terribly difficult for someone to suddenly appear on campus and take out that officer then commence to killing kids and teachers. By the time any type of response team could arrive and really even get a secure perimeter set up, most of the kids and teachers both could be dead. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but felt that I should justify the reason that I feel this way.

When I was a kid in High School, on nearly every campus, at least in the rural communities, there were probably 4 to 5 pickups belonging to students with a .22 hanging in a gun rack or behind the seat. We (the students) knew better than to use them except in case of extreme self-defense. Today, more kids are taught to be afraid of guns rather than to respect them. Also, often times, they are not taught any form of gun safety. Bullies were the exception rather than the rule. And we were taught to stand up to the bully rather than to just let them get away with it. Today kids are punished for standing up to the bully and as a result some of them decide that the only way out of the cycle is to use extreme violence. Also they are not taught that there are often consequences to their actions. Too often parents say "My child wouldn't do that!" My mother often said "given the opportunity, I have NO DOUBT that either of my children, and especially my son, WOULD DO THAT!"

I want my child to be safe at school. I also want your children safe at school. Not from those kids who know what damage a gun can do, but from the ones who don't realize it, and have no idea that there are consequences for their actions. That is why I have the opinion that I do. I don't want to be slammed for it, I just want to explain it.

Thanks.

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3 years 34 weeks ago, 9:42 PM

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debate is a good thing. My concern with requiring teachers to carry guns stems from understanding human nature. There are, unfortunately, teachers who should not be allowed anywhere near guns, whether it be because of immaturity, poor stress management skills, criminal backgrounds, or plain old mental instability. Hell, there are teachers who shouldn't be allowed around kids. If a state made it okay for teachers to carry guns in school, you would have enough of them willingly carrying that you wouldn't need to mandate it, and once school staff and faculty members begin carrying, it wouldn't take much to identify and train some sort of "Active Shooter Response Team" made up of those people whose job would be to secure an exit and evacuate students, engaging the shooter(s) in necessary.

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3 years 34 weeks ago, 10:18 PM

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I can accept that

as an alternative. I do agree with you that there are some teachers who should not be allowed to be within a mile of a school due to the very reasons you stated. But, if they have a criminal background that would prevent them from owning a gun, then they surely don't need to be teaching. I like your idea of an "Active Shooter Response Team." I think it would be a good idea. Unfortunately, (at least here in Texas), it is a moot point as you can't have a gun within I think it's 100 yards of a school. It may only be 100 feet but for some reason 100 yards sticks with me.

As for the number of teachers who would willingly carry, I believe that, yes, here in Texas and other states in the South and Southwest, you are correct. However, in other areas of the country, I think that many of them would buck the idea and embark on a campaign that would immediately be announced by the Fed. Dept. of Education and followed by the state's Depts. of Education to imploring their fellow teachers to not carry. These agencies are notoriously anti-gun and may even threaten to expel members who they found out were carrying concealed weapons (even legally).

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3 years 33 weeks ago, 6:10 AM

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I'm a fan of disbanding the federal Dept of Education. Let the states dictate their own education standards and guidelines, the feds just get in the way.

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 1:55 AM

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Good Points...

I'm definately for allowing eligable adults to carry on school campus... I also think this should be taken further. I am an active duty soldier, and was stationed on Ft. Hood last november when Maj. Hassan went on his shootng spree. I feel that it is insulting, at best that the very people entrusted to defend this country and go in harms way abroad are not allowed to carry on military reservations. People don't get certified to carry concealed, purchase, and register a weapon for the purpose of commiting a crime. The do it because they feel a right to defend themselves and an obligation to protect others. If more responsable individuals were allowed to carry in all places, do you think the dead and injured would be as numerous? Let those that are willing and able take the nessicary steps to make our country a safer place for everyone.

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 6:47 AM

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People think of military installations as being more secure than other places, but as an MP, I definitely know better. It amazes me that I can deploy as a squad leader and be responsible for nine other soldiers operating two seven-ton uparmored HMMWVs and two 17-ton ASVs with M240s, M2s, MK19s, M249s, M4s, M9s, M203s, frags, HEDP rounds, and AT4s, but when I'm back in the states, I can't be trusted to carry a fucking Glock on me even though I can carry an M9 around on patrol. Hell, I proved myself very proficient with a pistol by taking top shooter in a competition against federal, county, and local LEOs and I've poven my ability to remain focused under fire and even got an ARCOM with V, but that doesn't count for shit to the military when it comes to having the ability to defend myself, my loved ones, or my community when I'm on post.

They say letting gays serve openly will enhance readiness, but being able to respond to an active shooter in seconds, rather than minutes, is a no-go. I retire in four and a half years, and that's one of the things I will certainly not miss

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 8:44 AM

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Got you beat....

I retire in about 4 1/2 months. LOL! And lets talk about those worthless Contract security/Gate-Gaurds.... I was out hunting pigs a few months ago, Nov to be exact. It was a period of "Heightened Awareness" for domestic terrorism due to the 1 year anniversary of the shooting. I had twisted my ankle, so just went in planning to get my guns out of car later.... Anyway, woke up late, and was zooming into work and got selected for a vehicle inspection at the gate. As I'm pulling over to the inspection area, I remember that I have a 1911 and a Rem 870 tactical loaded and just laying in back seat... They compleated their inspection and passed me through with-out comment.

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 9:19 AM

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I've had one write a statement against me saying I became "slightly hostile" toward him. In another typical Marlow incident, My vehicle was being searched in Ft Riley, and I was joking around, saying I'm glad I didn't bring my unregistered M4 with me. The guard laughed that one off, but then I said I sure was glad they didn't find the 40 pounds of C-4 hidden in my fuel tank. he told them to stop the search and tried lecturing me on how I should take things like that seriously, and I blew up on him. It was great. He looked close to tears. I know they have a job to do, but just like the TSA fuckers, don't act more important than you are.

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 9:21 AM

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Scary...

Hell, I know it was years before 911 but we used to pull on base with all kinds of crap in our cars and trucks when heading into Tinker AFB. Hell we was half blind most of the time too...

They inspecting them on the way out at all?

Back in 1981-82, Tinker AFB, we had three guys that were G-8's working in Building 3001. It was the longest building in the Military at that time. Fighter Jets started at one end needing refurb and came out totally rebuilt and sent over to the Paint Shop across the Tarmac. These three Yahoos got caught after spending almost two years of taking parts out in their pickups. They had an almost complete General Dynamics F16 engine built in this one guys barn. They were building a Jet Car to take down to the flats...

Also at that time there was a black market off base for anything Military as far as Gear and Weapons went, though I think OSI shut that down in time also...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!

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