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From The New York Times:

On Wednesday, the Senate is expected to vote on the latest assault on public safety in the name of gun ownership.

An "assault on public safety"? Hey, what do you expect from an editorial titled "Gun Crazy in the Senate"? Besides, as we've already observed, the "Authorized Journalists" are just doing their self-appointed job of parroting the hysterics of the anti-defense cabal.

Case in point, our pals over at the Violence Policy Center have released a conveniently-timed propaganda piec...uh...they call it a study, provocatively titled "Law Enforcement and Private Citizens Killed by Concealed Handgun Permit Holders."

When you're dealing with a population that has a lower violent crime rate than any "gun free" population in the world, you need to rely on isolated anecdotes to trick people into thinking the problem is bigger than it is. And note three out of the first six incidents brought to our attention involve allegations, as opposed to convictions.

So if that's a fair way to conduct a study and present definitive conclusions to the public--if those are acceptable rules for us all to abide by, and if this is how we are to determine who can be trusted with a gun, have I got some "Only Ones" source accounts for you! Or just ask Oscar Grant!

Oh, that's right, you can't...

So after going through all this, why would I be willing to cede that The Times or VPC may not be completely wrong in opposing the Thune amendment, even if their "reasoning" is? Particularly since everybody in the gun rights advocacy movement appears to be on board with it?

Well, not everybody. For instance, Alan Korwin, doesn't think concealed carry permit reciprocity is such a hot idea.

Some of you may need an introduction:

Bloomfield Press and gunlaws.com are owned and operated by Alan Korwin. This is the largest publisher and distributor of gun-law books in America, nationally recognized as an expert resource in this narrowly focused niche.

And Korwin's concerns?

A well-intentioned but dangerously misguided movement has gained momentum to establish so called "reciprocity" in the 31 states that have concealed-carry laws in place. The idea is to allow a person with a government issued carry permit from their home state to carry in other states that have a reciprocal carry law...

This is an extremely bad idea, however, because it tends to legitimize the notion that the government can grant you the right to carry a firearm or not. It places a recurring tax called a fee on that right, and makes exercise of the right subject to permits, licenses, testing, investigations, and all too often, a bureaucratic or discretionary determination on the part of a government worker.

The government has not been delegated such authority by the people. Government activities in this regard are not based on the rule of law.

Compelling arguments. Many are ones I've made myself over the years. They're why I have made it known throughout that I will not apply for a permit.

I understand the arguments those in the gun rights camp will counter with. I've heard them all.

So what am I trying to pull? A last minute hit job to kill the bill?

Not at all. Follow your informed conscience. I included a link to contact your senators yesterday, and I'll give it to you again here.

My only caution is to not make the mistake of thinking benefits do not also include costs. And to consider that sometimes, the price that will ultimately be required of us--or our posterity--is not always clearly understood up front.

Especially in a system that weighs legal precedents more heavily than original intent when it comes to the right to keep and bear arms.

Also see:

"National right-to-carry reciprocity can't touch Chicago, but can it pass?" by Chicago Gun Rights Examiner Don Gwinn
"National ccw reciprocity bill generating debate" by Cleveland Gun Rights Examiner Daniel White
"Lies, damn lies, and VPC statistics" by Minneapolis Gun Rights Examiner John Pierce
Update:

Seattle Gun Rights Examiner Dave Workman just posted another related piece: "Outrage over national concealed carry misplaced while Seattle looks for a killer"

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5 years 1 week ago, 5:06 PM

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I am a follower of David and wanted to share this article with all. He is on Facebook and also the Gun Rights Examiner you can sign up for articles daily email.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”-Albert Einstein
5 years 1 week ago, 4:59 PM

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more people will, generally, follow the article and not the oposing views to such an article. and even more often will not understand the intent of the writer, but instead sympathize with the counter intent of the article. publishing articles like this only tends to inspire the anti gun lobby to work harder instead of working less. ryo agree totally with the 2nd Amendment, but you must understand that people are, generally speaking, not careful readers. they would for the most part construe that guns in the hands of citizens is a bad idea from such an article even though the intent of this article is just the opposite. just some thought for you to consider.

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5 years 1 week ago, 5:11 PM

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LittleDragon

I appreciate your view and understand what your saying. I don't necessarily agree, I just enjoy reading David's articles and wanted to share it with the members.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”-Albert Einstein
5 years 1 week ago, 5:09 PM

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Nationwide right-to-carry bill prompts anti-defense hysteria
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Courtesy Oleg Volk, A Human RightNationwide concealed carry permit reciprocity may be on today's political agenda.

What's it about?

(1) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or permit in any State that allows its residents to carry concealed firearms, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.

Paragraph #2 is similar, but takes care of Vermont and Alaska, where permits aren’t required to carry concealed.

It does not cover Illinois or Wisconsin, as neither have any legal way for citizens to carry concealed handguns.

The shrieking reactions from our good friends the "Authorized Journalists" have been predictable:

The Washington Post warns us of "Hidden Danger."

"Schumer sounds alarm over 'sneak' GOP gun bill," wails Newsday.

"Permit to carry? Scary!" shudders Philly.com.

Hey, someone has to parrot the anti-defense lobby talking points. Speaking of which, New Yorkers Against Gun Violence was particularly shrill as they:

blasted the U.S. Senate for considering the gun lobby's deadly legislation which would force communities across the nation to permit untrained and dangerous individuals from other states to carry hidden and loaded handguns in public.

Dangerous. Untrained. That is, not "Only Ones." You know, "the people," as in the ones whose right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...?

I'm only surprised NYAGV didn't accuse these law-abiding citizens who sign up to be scrutinized by law enforcement, pay their fees and jump through all the legal hoops, of being wild-eyed and frothing at the mouth as they jump up and down yelling "Kill!"

Their recommended action?

We urge Senators Schumer and Gillibrand to issue a clear statement to their constituents and colleagues that 'Enough is Enough' by voting NO on this amendment and filibustering it if necessary.

Schumer, no surprise, warned the:

Republican "sneak attack" legislation could render New York State's law requiring handgun owners to obtain concealed carry licenses toothless.

And unfortunately, at least for Gun Rights Examiner regulars, his counterpart's serial betrayal is no surprise either:

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), who opposed restrictions on gun ownership as an upstate congresswoman, opposes the amendment, her spokeswoman said Sunday.

For more info:

Here's NRA's take on right-to-carry reciprocity.

And here's GOA's.

You can read the bill, S. 845, here.

And you can find and contact your senators here.
Also see "National ccw reciprocity to be considered in U.S. Senate" by Cleveland Gun Rights Examiner Daniel White.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”-Albert Einstein

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