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Monday, January 12, 2009 3:56 PM

By: Jim Meyers

Informed sources in Washington tell Newsmax that Israel indeed will launch a strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities soon – possibly in just days as President George W. Bush prepares to leave office.

The reason: The time clock has begun to run out. Iran is close to acquiring a nuclear device under the control of its radical president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei said in June that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in as little as six months.

That six-month period has passed.

Reports of Israel’s decision to imminently launch strikes, although unconfirmed, would seem to contradict the Bush stance outlined in a front-page New York Times story last week, which asserted that Bush rejected a plea from Israel last year to help it raid Iran’s main nuclear complex.

The Times said Israel was rebuffed after it requested from the U.S. specialized bunker-busting bombs that it needs to attack Iran’s nuclear complex at Natanz. The U.S. also reportedly nixed permission to the Israeli warplanes to fly over Iraqi territory to reach Iran.

Israel’s requests to the U.S. for military assistance came as the Jewish state was reportedly angry over a U.S. intelligence assessment in late 2007 that concluded Iran had effectively suspended its development of nuclear weapons.

But an investigative report circulated by IAEA chief ElBaradei late last year disclosed that Iran was continuing to carry out uranium enrichment and had already established 6,000 centrifuges for enriching uranium, of which 3,800 were then in operation.

American intelligence officials now estimate that the figure is 4,000 to 5,000 centrifuges, enough to produce about one weapon’s worth of uranium every eight months or so, according to the Times.

The IAEA report estimated that Iran has obtained two tons of enriched uranium since its enrichment program was restarted at Natanz two years ago.

Last year 100 Israeli jets took part in an exercise over the eastern Mediterranean that was interpreted as a dress rehearsal for a possible attack on Iran.

And on Sept. 6 Israel launched an air attack against a site in Syria believed to be a nuclear-related facility containing material delivered by North Korea.

Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton predicted that Israel would stage a raid against Iran's nuclear facilities if Barack Obama won the presidential election.

Bolton stated that he believed the Israeli attack would take place sometime between the day after Obama's win and his inauguration on January 20.

In an interview with FOX News, Bolton reasoned that Israel wouldn’t be able to hold off a strike on Iran any longer than that given Obama’s more conciliatory approach to Iran.

The Israeli government “would have to make a judgment whether to [strike] during the remainder of President Bush’s term in office or wait for his successor,” Bolton added.

William Perry, U.S. Secretary of Defense under President Bill Clinton, said that Obama would face a major crisis in his first few months in office over Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Perry, speaking at a foreign policy conference on Jan. 8, said that Iran is "moving inexorably toward becoming a nuclear power" and “it seems clear that Israel will not sit by idle while Iran takes the final steps toward becoming a nuclear power."

And former CIA officer Robert Baer, author of the new book “The Devil We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower,” told Newsmax in October that Iran was at that time probably months, if not weeks, away from war with Israel.

The repercussions of an Israeli attack are not clear.

Though Arab states remain openly hostile to Israel, many who belong to the Sunni branch of Islam fear the rise of a nuclear Iran, a nation dominated by Shiite imams. Gulf states like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have been quietly pressing the U.S. to take action against Iran – and may secretly root for an Israeli attack.

But Iran, even without nuclear weapons, is a regional power. If attacked, they are likely to press proxy terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah to launch offensives against Israel and possibly the U.S.

Iran has warned in the past that it would launch a “missile blitz” against Gulf states if it is attacked.

And last July a senior Iranian official said the Islamic Republic would destroy Israel and 32 U.S. military bases in the Middle East if Iran is attacked over its nuclear program.

“Israel and 32 U.S. military bases in the region would not be out of the reach of our missiles and would be destroyed," the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Mojtaba Zolnour as saying in a speech.

Zolnour is the deputy of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's representative in Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards.

Even more ominously, Iran has reportedly carried out missile tests for what could be a plan for a nuclear strike on the U.S.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 5:12 PM

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If you frequent www.debka.com you will get intel in advance of most other sources.

I try not to predict the future, but I must say a good guess is--any day now, unless the Israelis are receiving covert messages from Obama,"don't do it, because if you get in over your head, I will not support you".
AND/OR, perhaps the Israelis are waiting till the election of Ben Netanyahu as Prime Minister, in February. If anyone is going to give the "go" signal, it is him--one tough SOB, with a very smart, Patton-like determination. [ I would not like either of them after MY ass!]
The one Joker in the deck is the Israeli arsenal of nukes--reputedly over 200. I am sure we have warned them NOT to use them, even the tacticals.
But if some big mouth Islamo-Terrorist threatened to wipe US off the surface of the earth, we would not be deterred, if at least tacticals were necessary.
It is a true existential problem for Israel. If they do not take the Iranian threat seriously, they will lose the initiative, and probably be anihilated. If they strike first, giving no quarter, they may turn out to be world class heroes.
Of course, one wonders why we have several Carrier task forces deployed in the middle east..........hmmmmmm

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 5:14 PM

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Isreal needs too.

Israel indeed will launch a strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities soon. Isreal should because we don't have the ball to ourself to do it.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 5:18 PM

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30 years too long to retaliate for their bullshit. It would improve the Middle East immnensley. The Jews have the only sandpatch there with no oil. Added incentive for Israel to go for it.

5 years 25 weeks ago, 5:39 PM

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I am watching the news. The news seems to be taking the Hammas side. What does Isreal have to do? They have made many concessions such as giving back land, giving economic aid and releasing terrorist in a show of good faith. They have been patient and been bombed for it. If Canada was shelling the USA it would be a full scale kick ass invasion.
So whats wrong with Isreal defending itself? Why would Obama not support self preservation.....is it the same reason Obama opposes self defense with a firearm in the US?
What do you think? Am I looking into the news report too much?

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 5:50 PM

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Oh Fuck Yeah...

Big up Isreal... I say give it to them hard... and never look back. Cant think of any good that has come out of iran... ever... can you? As far as the big O goes.... why the fuck wouldnt he support an attack on iran? is he that big of a fuckin hippie? Iran is obviously a direct threat to the US or at least our overseas bases. Nuclear power is not something to be taken lightly. Shit I would probably re-enlist if we were in the need of more man power to get the job done.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 5:52 PM

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Demo,

I can't give you a good reason. I was watching the Discovery channel this morning and they were talking about Osama and Al-Quaida, they seemed to be propping these people up as freedom fighters. I don't understand it other than the media seems to want to destroy our nation from the inside out. They will not be happy until we are under the heal of a Premier or someting along those lines. I hope this doesn't get us off topic. It just all seems to fit in the same mold to me, I'm not crying massive Left wing conspiracy. (Too loud).

Out of curiousity, what "news channel" are you watching?

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 5:57 PM

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They are all left wing whores. Try Fox News or Newsmax on the internet. The left thinks Israel should make nice with the Muslims. Our new Prez has Muslim ties.

5 years 25 weeks ago, 6:05 PM

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I ran into this in college. It seemed the teachers were always trying to alter perceptions and look at the view from all sides. But they forget survival and self preservation....Non judgementalism is gonna kill us all. No one is wrong....they just have an opposing view. Fuck that. We used to be the country that led and dominated. Through governmental policies we have become a second rate competitor and we still lead the world in gross domestic product (unless china passed us). My point is that we help the world by spreading trade around, policing the world and sending economic aid all over while forgetting about our own nations well being. Obama wants to solve the world poverty problem which is a great goal but we need to get our own people out of poverty first. Lets spend that money in poor middle of nowhere america, in the inner city and wherever else there are people below the poverty line by getting them jobs.......

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 6:24 PM

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China owns all our Debt? All the money we owed is now owed to China. I guess we could stiff China and start WWIII.

5 years 25 weeks ago, 6:28 PM

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You could write many books on this, of course. But the bottom line is that the Jews and a Jewish state have been anathema to Western Civilization from Roman times until today. This hatred has often been institutionalized, particularly after the ascendency of Christianity, which for hundreds of years blamed Jews for the death of Jesus. They have since rescinded this blame issue, but that hardly stifles the hatred. Historically Jews have maintained their ethnic identity. This is a double-edge sword because they have refused to assimilate into the society at large. The fact that they stick together and often do well makes matters worse because envy sets in. People start up their conspiracy theories about the Zionists ruling the world.

During WWII we know what the Nazis did to the Jews, but what is not as well known is that surrounding countries often applauded the Germans. When Germany invaded Poland, for example, the villagers in occupied towns would ask their occupiers, "Can we kill the Jews?" The Nazis kind of shrugged their shoulders and let atrocities happen, then rounded up the remaining Jews for the concentraion camps.

At the end of WWII when the Nazi's Final Solution came to world attention, this was an ideal time to grant Israel nationhood because the guilt of the world was at its highest. Palestine proper was administered by Great Britain. The two-state solution created Israel for Jews and Jordan for Palestinians. Neither were 'real' countries, though the modern state of Israel approximates its ancient borders.

Chaos ensued, of course, because the Arabs hated the Jews even more than Europe. Also, arbitrary borders always cause chaos. The same thing happened in Iraq when Britain carved Iraq out of three ethnic groups: Sunni, Shiite, and Kurd. These unnatural borders were a recipe for disaster and the only thing that held it together was the strict rule of the Baathist party, which was modeled after the Nazis.

Now, during the half century after WWII Israel was kept afloat primarily by the United States which, of course, has a large and efficient Jewish presence. But Europe historically has continued to favor the Palestinians, continuing their historic hatred of Jews. It is only recently that the United States has chosen to play catch-up with Europe as it has moved steadily toward the left, as is shown by the last election.

Journalists, for their part, are liberal arts graduates who learned their trade on socialist-leaning campuses and overhwlmingly vote Democratic. They are leading the charge, so to speak, to the Left, helped along by a very unpopular President in Bush. It was the Perfect Storm. So now we have the very real chance of a complete loss of the Second Amendment, a further re-distrubition of wealth for those who earn it to those who do not, and a very real threat of the destruction of Israel. The Arab world will be feeling its oats with the election of Obama. A crisis is looming.

However, the United States as a world power has a vested interest in a democratic Israel. The one thing the United States does NOT want to happen is the emergence of an Islamic Caliphate in the Middle East that could actually threaten, really, US dominance. And THAT is the real reason the US invaded Iraq. It wasn't to take out Saddam. It was to insert the US presence into the region in a way that hampered the emergence of a regional power in a surgical way that kept the oil flowing. The second goal was to reduce al Quaeda from a strategic threat to a tactical one. That has been accomplished. With the emergence of a 'democratic' Iraq, the second goal is nearly in place. Given that Carter managed to lose Iran for the US, this move has re-inserted a dominant US presence in the area. We'r eback where we used to be before the Carter debacle.

Now the hope is that a socialist-leaning president and a Democratic congress are trapped enough in situational politics that they cannot make a major change. The idea is that it doesn't matter who is President; they are still compelled to make certain decisions. As Bill Clinton said to a supporter, "I haven't moved on this because there is a government within the government, and I don't control it." It remains in our vested interest to keep Israel strong and prosperous in the region. The journalists and leftists who continue to try to lead the United Satates away from capitalism and into a leftist socialist state are not only not serving in the best interests of Israel, they also serve to undermine the very existence of America.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 7:01 PM

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That was a very large "elephant" to describe. Not only did you do it well, but also very completely, from birth to about 60.
You are to be commended.

Thanks, Mike - - ... ... - -

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 6:29 PM

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america fuck yeah, lets get those talapia farming fuckers. just my opinion some times I think i'm gangus con lol forgive me must be the beer talking

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 6:38 PM

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The more I read your verbage the more impressed I am with you. Was your Liberalism because of the positions that you held? like you had to be or moved out? Like teachers today, could no more profess capitalism than the man in the moon. Unions also. My son a Journeyman Union Electrician in The SF Bay Area, making in excess of $125,000 per year, votes what his union tells him too. If he doesn't vote Demo, then he probably wouldn't have a job. Tis a shame in this day and age.
I thank you for your enlightment on really weighty subjects. You are clear and concise. Even I can understand it!
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5 years 25 weeks ago, 6:55 PM

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samD: and education

It's a disease. I was surrounded by ideas of cultural and moral relativism. I had the exact same indoctrination as Obama's Mother. Indeed, I was in school about the same time. I could have dated her kid sister. She grew up about 20 miles from me. I'm a perfect example of that old adage attributed to various people from Bork to Disraeli: "A man who is not a socialist before he is 40 has no heart; one who is a socialist after he is forty has no head." And the profession continued to coddle this attitude. I simply could not express conservative values and remain in the job. Free speech to a leftist means public funding of NPR and shutting down talk radio as 'unfair.'

I lost some friends during this last election because I 'came out' as a conservative and worked actively on the campaign. I'd never do it again, though. Politics is such a dirty business--no matter which side you are on.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 7:22 PM

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LLE: Thank you LLE

Coming from you, that means a lot. I hereby suspend our issues in gratitude. :-)

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 7:44 PM

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I still see the jewish issue as confusing. I have met many Jewish people who were very moral, respectful and hardworking. I really respect thier faith and family values. But, They are disliked by the left leaning media, but vote left as a people. A people who are moral, conservative and tradition who stand for liberal values. My grandmother emphasized ones ability to defend oneself becuase of her experiences in Poland during WWII. If I were Jewish in 1939 I would have wanted to keep and bare arms. History repeats itself. Many in this country hate Jews. so, Why are Jewish people anti-gun?
My point is that I would expect Jewish people to be Reagan conservatives, not affiliated with people like Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Obama.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 8:06 PM

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We have already beat this horse to death, and continued to beat on it to make certain it really was dead.. They do not "vote left as a people".

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 8:27 PM

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LLE- I am in NY

LLE- they do vote left of center. Every election the democratic machine gets 90 % of the Jewish vote here. The Jewish leaders in NY campaign for Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer and Bloomberg (he is a lib listen to his speaches). Even when a Republican gets through, the canidate needs to be liberal on firearms, abortion, spending to get the vote. This has been discussed by the democrats, republicans etc. Its the strategy in NY.
The polling, registration and results all confirm this.
Are you going to say the African American population does not vote in the high 90%'s for liberal canidates? Eahc election leads to the same voter trends. Just like the Nascar dads in the 2004 electionwere important becuase other groups such as Jews, African-Americans were not in play.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 9:09 PM

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It sounded as though you were making the statement about the USA in general.
your statement is not true for the USA in general.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 7:44 PM

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They are often wrong. Awhile ago debka reported a build-up of naval forces in the mid-east. I wrote to stratfor (www.stratfor.com) where I have a subscription. They publish a naval update map every week. The wrote back (SHOCK!!) and told me the report was untrue and that they never use debka as a source. Their latest weekly update map is for Jan 7th and shows the CSG Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) in place in the 5th fleet AOR and the Expeditionary Srike Group LHD-7 Iowa Jima nearby. (ESG = Marines and helicopters) Everyone else is hanging around the US Coasts or in port and is the shallowest deployment I have seen in over a year. I was even wondering myself if THAT is significant. The George Washington is in Yokosuka, Japan. That's a normal deployment for the middle east which doubles every few months when one fleet relieves the other. What you REALLY worry about is if three carriers are there at once.

There are only eight deployable carriers right now; we ought to have eleven. The Kitty Hawk will be decommissioned and the George HW Bush is not quite ready.

The John Stennis (CVN-74) left Bremerton at 7:00am this morning for a Pacific Deployment said to last 7 months, but no one knows. I was too lazy to get up and see it leave. The tide rules departure times. It'll be a few weeks before they can get over there as they have to stop by San Diego and pick up their air wing. So the population of Bremerton just went down a few thousand.

A subscription to stratfor is pretty costly: $349 a year. I will keep the group posted on the naval updates if you wish, and especially if things heat up. I can't legally copy over their postings, but I can certainly paraphrase what they say.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 7:51 PM

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on that issue. I'd have to study it before I could give a good answer. It seems nonsensical to me, but you are absolutely right.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 7:53 PM

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Not trying to be pollyanna-ish--I really don't have any issues with you, although you might have with me. I got to express what I thought was relevant, even with a tiny bit of humor here and there, and for me that's fine.
I know I could not have expounded on the Ninth Amendment word war, with anything like the clarity of your post, so I am hereby declaring jealousy.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 2:11 PM

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after yesterday's conversation. It was sent to me. I did not seek it out:

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSfeNkJgBI

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 2:31 PM

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I cannot understand why someone would be upset with the content of your posting. Perhaps someone decided to deal with their own general frustration by simply sending this ref. to you, because you "did not go far enough and in enough detail".

Don't sweat it.

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