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2 years 22 weeks ago, 6:58 PM

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So Ive been looking around at some triggers. Ive heard that an aftermarket trigger can make your rifle 10x better, never having shot a gun with an aftermarket trigger, Ive no idea...What do you all think? Second, what is the ideal trigger pull? would you rather a carrot break, or an ice-cycle break. I understand that the way you use the rifle would make a difference, but Im looking for an all around good trigger pull. I dont like how my trigger has movement in it, there is play, and I dont feel like its a consistent break, and its not at all a crisp break either. I stumbled on this company called Geissele Automatics, and they have a great reputaion from what I hear, and they actually make triggers for the military...SOCOM to be exact. And to top it off, they are not expensive....175 for their combat 2 stage trigger. Which brings me to another question...2 stage trigger...never shot one.....are they nice? basically like a glock trigger right? help me out. I want a lighter trigger pull, but dont know how light is too light and what isnt light enough, I plan on buying a different upper for more tactical purposes and using the same lower, just switch the uppers out for each application, so the trigger needs to be great all around..hit me up with the wealth of knowledge.

Check out their website http://geissele.com

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 7:06 PM

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I've never owned a rifle with a "custom" or aftermarket trigger assy, I've had 2 guns firing systems worked on by a gunsmith, made the pull smooth as silk and the break nice and sharp, just the way I like it. That was an inexpensive way to go and I could not be happier.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 7:20 PM

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hmm. you just took it

hmm. you just took it somewhere and said make my trigger nice? how much?

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 7:43 PM

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mid-'80s. Gonna cost quite a bit more now I'd bet. Up side, you have OEM stuff. Unless you buy top drawer after market I'd be concerned about quality and function.

In the case of my 1911 It's trigger pull resembled pulling a bobsled over a boulder pile and firing was predictable like just before a rubber band breaks, I don't want to know when my gun is going to fire that way.
While he repaired that he also did a throat job, don't remember how much more $$. When new it would not eat SWC rounds, they ended up cockeyed, after the throat job it has never failed to feed.

What all this boils down to is ask your gunsmith what HE can do and how much b4 you invest in aftermarket parts then make up your mind.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 7:24 PM

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BFT,
If you have an AR, it is a high probability that you have a 2 stage trigger. the first stage is the creep, the second stage is the break, similar to a glock. A single stage trigger is a break only.
I have a geissele (pronounced guys-lee) 2 stage and a Timney single stage. I have the Timney on a CQB/home defense weapon. I like the crisp response of the single stage in CQB, less time to react, less time to press the trigger. If you are looking at triggers, Geissele is a great company and a great product. It will serve you well.

You might check out http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=10826/k=/t=P/Products/Triggers-Bottom... to compare different triggers and then visit the websites to get a better idea of what you want/need for your mission.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 9:46 PM

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as far as trigger weight, what weight do you prefer? is 3pnds too light for an all purpose gun? all i know is that I want a crisp consistant trigger pull, lighter than stock...which is likt 7 or 8 right?

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 5:28 AM

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I like a hair trigger very light pull ( a lot of bad can go very wrong with this) plus just pull and it flows easy no stopping and BANG it fires.You can not buy these so you get use to what you get.
On the glock type safety YOU DO NOT want this!!!! SAFETY IS ON THE TRIGGER!!!!

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 10:37 PM

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I have geissele's in a of my couple rifles. The SSA-E is one of the nicest 2 stage triggers I've used. I'll probably be buying more for other rifles. It has a very clean, crisp, consistent break at a total of 3.5 lbs (2.3 first stage, 1.2 second). I would recommend one. I also have the S3G and it's their fastest trigger. It's more of a hybrid between a single and 2 stage trigger. They describe the break like walking off a cliff blind folded. I like it a lot also. If you are looking for a reliable all around trigger, I would look at the SSA-E.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:21 AM

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Ive never shot with a two stage trigger, so Im not sure if I will like it. For the first stage you just pull until it gets firm correct? and then the second stage would be the actual release of the hammer and bullet coming out right? I will be hunting with this rifle, so I want to be able to be reliable and able to make the shot quick if need be. Would a two stage be good for this? I know the SSA is a combat trigger, but hunting is not combat, in a way yes, different targets, but still shooting living things. If the consensus is that a two stage is great for hunting...Im gonna get that SSA...I didnt see the SSA-E on their website, but Ill check again.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:56 AM

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If you have fired an AR rifle, chances are pretty high that it was a 2 stage trigger.
For a hunting rifle I would go with a single stage trigger. All my hunting rifles have a single stage trigger with a break around 3.5 pounds. I also have a trigger shoe on my .300 win mag, but that is personal preference, some like them, some do not. I have never hunted with a gas gun so i do not know if there would be advantages of a two stage trigger over a single stage. Because you have repeated you are ignorant of 2 stage triggers, I would probably stay with single stage so you have consistency and do not have to learn a new system.
Can you describe your weapon so we can get a better idea of how to help you?

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:04 AM

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its the M&P 15 Sport. Only thing I've done is add a 4way rail and a 3-14x scope to it, and replace the stock end plate with a nomar QD end plate to use my sling. Was considering getting a vertical foregrip but haven't decided yet. guess I better research the trigger system some more.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:27 AM

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single stage trigger according to website. I would stay with a single stage trigger. Look at Timney, Wilson Combat and Jard.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:55 AM

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The M&P Sport...

This is one to get if your going to build an AR.

The freaking barrel is worth the cost of the whole Rifle. 1 in 8 inch twist with 5R rifling....

Jard Adjustable is how I would go personally. The price is right for a top end trigger that is very easy to install and tune. Then again I like a really light trigger so the 1.5 lb adjustable is my choice.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:48 PM

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I have to disagree. I would suggest a 2 stage for hunting and an all around trigger. Don’t get me wrong, I like single stage triggers for getting a lot of shots off fast close range. For precision shooting I prefer 2 stage because I can take up the first stage and wait until I’m ready to release. In the case of the SSA-E, that leaves me with a 1.2 lb pull. I feel its more predictable and the break isn't quite as surprising. If it was a competition only rifle a straight 1.5 like ISD suggested would be nice, but I wouldn't recommend that for a duty or defense rifle. The SSA is a good trigger, the SSA-E is just the enhanced version. I think its worth the extra $20 or whatever it is. Do some research on them and read reviews. Like clitbo said, it really comes down to personal preference.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 1:14 PM

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1322 1-1/2 lb. AR-15 2-Stage Adjustable Trigger System $148.50

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hehe...

Though, a good 4 - 4.5 lb trigger is just as easy to shoot and easier for some. I don't really see where a smooth, clean breaking 7 lb trigger would be an issue for making good shots.

Lightest trigger I've shot with which bordered upon the ridicules was a M24 set trigger, when you would push it forward it became a 6 oz press. Long Range it was sweet as can be.

But I sure as hell wouldn't try even carrying the damn rifle with the trigger set and a round in the chamber with that setup...

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 1:30 PM

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Are you guys talking about 2 stage triggers for gas gun hunting only, or all hunting?
I am curious because all my bolt rifles I use for hunting are single stage. I noticed that Jewell triggers are two stage and I was surprised by this. What is the benefit to a two stage trigger for hunting/precision shooting?, It would seem logical that the longer you are on the trigger, the higher chance for making a human error in the firing process and thus missing the point of aim.

What am I missing?

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 1:58 PM

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With a 2 stage you have the chance to back off your shot before it breaks because you take up the slack, pre stack the trigger, and then your at the break point.

It gives you the ability to setup your shot all the way to the point of releasing the bullet.

With the single stage in my SR556, it has no slack at all. On/Off is it with no over travel. Granted I did put a set screw in the lower to remove all the pre-travel.

A set trigger actually is a two stage trigger that can be pushed forward removing the take up effectively making it a single stage trigger.

Many Sniper Rifles and Long Range Target Rifles make use of this type trigger.

Single stage also means that AD's while stomping around in the woods are a higher probability.

Hunting rifles? AR hunting rifles?

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 2:37 PM

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I can understand your reasoning for the 2 stage trigger. I think Reaper is correct in his observation concerning preference. When I pull up my hunting rifle and have the correct sight picture, I am ready to fire and a 3 pound trigger is what I have trained with, and what I am comfortable with.

Getting back to BFT, I hope he has enough information to decide which he likes. I mentioned that he keeps with a single stage, because that is what he is familiar with. But he should pay attention to Reaper and ISD's opinions about the merits of the two stage trigger.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 2:18 PM

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I was talking gas only because I assumed BFT was referring to his M&P.

I prefer them for the reason I stated above. I can take up the first stage, then I'm left with a 1.xx lb pull without having to walk around with a 1.xx lb trigger. I know timneys are popular among the 700 crowd. I think It really is personal preference.

If you look at the more accurate gas guns out there in 308 the gap 10 comes with a 3.5 single stage, OBR comes with a SAA, SR-25 comes with KAC's 2 stage, MWS comes with LMT's 2 stage. I think POF's 308 has a single stage around 4 or 4.5 so it really is a toss up.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 3:43 PM

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you can still rapid fire with a two stage trigger from that video I watched, its like a 4.5/5pd total trigger pull with that SSA I was looking at. I think thats what I will go with, I would like to shoot a two stage first, but who knows, if I dont like it, maybe I can re-sell it. Reap you really sold me on that 1and change pull on second stage...thats perfect for hunting, so light theres no way you should be able to jerk the gun on a shot....especially with some sort of shooting rest. And yes I was only talking about my AR, not bolt action rifles. 7pd pull is too much for anything imo...plus the trigger that came with my gun is cheap, atleast in my head its cheap, been reading and hearing how nice it is with lighter triggers are made me not like mine. Ill start saving for it...not too bad on the price...180 for a nice American made trigger.

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