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David Freddoso: Time to abolish TSA as we know it
By: David Freddoso
Online Opinion Editor
January 7, 2010
Which is harder: For an uninvited guest to sneak into a state dinner at the White House, or for a properly ticketed passenger to board an airplane?

You're not alone if you have to think about your answer. Despite that, the airplane in question will not necessarily be safe.

This is how American aviation security works -- or rather doesn't work. In order to provide an illusion of security, we have made air travel impractical for nearly any trip that is less than a full day's drive.

If you are satisfied with this, then by all means let's put some new functionary in charge at the Transportation Security Administration without any further thought. If you see a problem here, then perhaps it's time to re-think everything -- including the TSA's existence as we know it.

We have learned much recently about post-9/11 airport security policies. We do not have a system that failed -- we have a system that is designed to fail. For example:
* All it takes to shut down air traffic all along the East Coast is for one concerned bystander in Newark, N.J., to tell an inattentive (absent, sleeping?) TSA worker that someone just walked right past him when he wasn't looking. That was enough to force some 10,000 people to go back through a security line.

* As Jeffrey Goldberg demonstrated in a November 2008Atlantic Monthlypiece, anyone who can print out a fake boarding pass and carry a bottle labeled "saline solution" can enter our "secure" terminals with dangerous chemicals.

* Who can blame former Vice President Al Gore for using private jets after his experience in 2002, when he was given the full-body pat-down twice on a single trip to Wisconsin?
* In March, TSA employees detained an aide to Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, simply because he was carrying $5,000 in cash and checks.

But, you might say, aren't these inconveniences, and TSA's $46 billion annual budget, just the price we pay for safety? Hardly, because we're not getting safety. A Nigerian man with documented terrorist ties, whose name was already on a watch list, known both to the British government and to ours as a threat, was given a visa and allowed to board a U.S.-bound plane wearing explosive underpants. Had he lit his drawers on fire in the bathroom and not in his seat, we'd be watching memorial services for 300 passengers today.
In short, we have turned our airports into something out of "1984," and we're not safer for having done so.

President Obama does not deserve all of the blame for TSA's sorry state. He does, however, have the opportunity to make things right. First, unionization of TSA workers should be out of the question, unless you want a court fight every time TSA tries to discipline or fire an incompetent employee.

Second, it's time for some creative thinking. Could our airports, as opposed to airplanes, beany less safe than they are right now, when a single bomb could take out hundreds of passengers concentrated in lines outsidethe security checkpoints?
If our post-9/11 goal is to prevent hijackings, as opposed to guarding airports, is there any benefit to creating a "secure area" throughout the entire terminal and risking more incidents like the one in Newark?

Would we be any less safe from hijackings if, instead of trying to police acres and acres of airport space, we simply screen passengers and their carry-ons as they board?
Do we even need the theatrical presence of uniformed TSA screeners when flight crews can be trained to screen their own planes just as well?

These are just a few thoughts -- there must be hundreds of better ideas out there. But the point is simply that anything would be better than what we have now: Minimum security bought with maximum hassle.

David Freddoso is The Examiner's online opinion editor. He can be reached at [email protected].

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7 years 19 weeks ago, 3:56 PM

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In the last year before my retirement from the dept. i had the pleasure of having a Sgt. assigned to me who was one of the few women who was a born leader.. Not a slam on women, just a fact. management style in prison is not real.. "evolved" lets say. Anyway this young women had what it takes to lead both Officers and Inmates, and was one of the best Sgt's i ever had. Shortly before i retired she took a shift cdr. position with TSA.. She's called a few times to keep in touch, and her consencious is that TSA is a complete fraud, and failure. She has been promoted since going with them, and is still leaving to come back to the dept. She tells me she wont be able to get her stripes back, and will take a cut in pay, but still choses to do this as the situation with TSA is so bad.. Just one horror story after another about what really goes on, or rather what does NOT go on. as in anyone doing thier JOB!! It's not just about all the mismanagement, the absurd hiring practice, and lack of motivation. She says the bar for employment qualification is so low, that it's an embarrasment, and about the only way to get fired is to do something thats not politicly correct.. She would be in 100% agreement with the article.

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7 years 19 weeks ago, 7:38 PM

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My encounter with TSA

I was in uniform, getting back from, or heading to, deployment (I can't remember which). Anyway, I went to the unsecured side, and bought a Mt Dew out of a vending machine IN THE AIRPORT, and was going to take it on the plane with me. I went to go back through, and some fat fucking TSA slug told me I had to open the soda and take a drink to prove it wasn't poison of some other chemical. I tried to explain that Mt Dew goes flat quickly once you open it, and I had a higher security clearance than any of the TSA morons there, and I was IN UNIFORM, getting on a plane with a bunch of other people IN UNIFORM, and that was stupid. Oh well. The phrase near the beginning of this thread says it all "Illusion of safety". We are not any safer, we feel safer.

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7 years 19 weeks ago, 7:48 PM

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all the Army types were carrying guns, maybe a pocket full of ammo, Who knows. Anyway, would TSA shit their drawers as about 150 armed men came slogging into the boarding area? Didn't worry me or the civilians on the plane. Men in business suits, women with kids men with M-16s.
I guess the only ones who can carry now are muslims 'cause profiling is a violation of their "rights"

BTW, I'd guess "contract flights" no longer board at civilian terminals.

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7 years 19 weeks ago, 2:03 PM

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Hey all

We are headed in a downward spiral because of political correctness and it won't even be addressed (as I see it) until someone kills another few thousand Americans. Runaway, but if you think about it...from TSA perspective, you are the PERFECT person to make do something like that or to do extra security on...think of this. It is unlikely that you are going to do anything to bring the plane down, so they check you, find nothing, can add the fact they checked you to their stats, but will likely not find anything and their search doesn't even have to be thorough...but on paper it looks like they were on top of things and not profiling. A perfect liberal scenario. And, if the worst happens, they can have a built in excuse.

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7 years 19 weeks ago, 2:11 PM

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spray them with pigs blood
see how fast they change
their attitude when they
know they will go to hell

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 12:54 PM

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They won't care anyway, it's a known fact that they will indulge in anything for their cause, and it will be forgiven if they kill infidels!

Here is an update on TSA:

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 12:54 PM

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They won't care anyway, it's a known fact that they will indulge in anything for their cause, and it will be forgiven if they kill infidels!

Here is an update on TSA:

BOZEMAN, Mont. – Officials say security screeners at a Bozeman-area airport failed to spot a gun in a passenger's luggage last month, but the man turned himself in when he realized his error.

Transportation Security Administration spokesman Dwayne Baird said in a written statement Wednesday that the unidentified man became aware that he had the firearm in his carryon luggage as he was boarding Dec. 13 at Gallatin Field.

The gun was confiscated and the passenger was allowed to continue on the flight.

The incident occurred nearly two weeks before the alleged Christmas Day attempt to blow up a U.S. airliner reawakened widespread concern over airline safety.

Still, Gallatin Field Board Chairman Dick Roehm says he's disappointed at the lapse and the airport is looking into turning to a private company to handle security at the airport.

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 1:02 PM

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Bozemon Mt. is a conservative, take no prisoners sort of place.. if this was in St. Louis, Chicago, or one of our "culture leading coasts" it wouldn't be that surprising to me. I expect someone in Montana to have thier act together

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 1:04 PM

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Was supposed to meet with the carpet installers tomorrow but it's doubtful.
I'm anxious to get back out there since I can do all the shooting I want on the property.
Got to get more reloading equipment to replace what I gave away;<(

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 1:11 PM

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Your place sounds like mine
My back yard is 9 acres and I have a 150 yard range
I keep changinging it up, one of these days it will
suit me.
Now I have to set up a fast action pistol range
Sat I'm going to a SASS shoot
if you don't know about it
Single Action Shooting Society
Check the post Shak sent me, it has a vidio

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 1:24 PM

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but get a kick watching it. I am more into punching holes in bullseye targets.
I had a co-worker who punched a .45 hole through his foot doing action shooting with a Colt 1911 whilst on guard, another put one through his upper left arm. I've seen enough bullet holes to last me awhile.

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 1:54 PM

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Telling it again.. When the dept. of Corrections did the big "Glock transision" in the mid 90's we had a number of meetings leading up to it, and i remember thinking this is going to be a joke when it comes to training. This was before our peace officer hiring and training criteria went into effect, and we were ah... how should i say this... pretty F'n lousy comes to mind, re: pistol training, it took a back seat to shotgun and rifle training, due primarily to real world "use" issues. So sure enough when they first implimented the change it started with all the range instructers, and armory personel.
We had a total of 5 self inflicted wounds across the state, and this was with "trained" staff. No fatalaties thank the Lord, but come on.. When trained range masters shoot themselfs, you know your screwing up. We had tried to do it on the cheap and each of the ten prisons had thier own system.. That changed.. QUICK

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 2:06 PM

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There used to be a tourist trap cowboy city
near Six Flags between Dallas & Ft Worth
It was an old west town called Big D
I was a quickdraw artist there 2 summers
and never shot myself. Ofcource we used
blanks but blanks at close range will burn
the crap out of you and set your cloths
on fire.
The trick is to clear leather and clear
yourself before you put your finger on
the trigger.
You got to get with the program

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 1:25 PM

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Sorry, can't help it, beautiful here in AZ today, As soon as Gloria gets back from Prescotts walmart im outa here, going to drive over to the range and see how the new 19 prints, Im thinking im going to be pleased.
Cutter, hows the med issue holding up, you getting any better or will they be cutting on cutter.
CW.. i think LLE is also into SASS, i was looking for a post of his today on "taps" and while finding it noticed he has pics of he and wife in SASS dress, one was at a convention. Lot of good people in that sport for sure.

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 1:31 PM

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I have to get back to the gym. Just seeing big payoff from all the sweat in weight lifting. Besides, I'm paid up for a full month that I can't use 'til I'm fyxed :<)
Looking forward to your report on the range trip with Mr Smith :<)

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 1:39 PM

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See you guys later.

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 1:50 PM

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Is there a lot of tire theft where you live? LOL
Sunny and warm here in Arizona. 70's today!

7 years 18 weeks ago, 2:05 PM

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Hillbilly goes into a store to buy condoms, the box says 2 bucks, so he throws a couple of bucks on the counter and heads out the door.. The clerk says..."HEY! you forgot the tax"
Buba says...na i just wire em on..

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 2:25 PM

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He knows all about tires chains, don't ya bubba?
Tax to hold rubbers on? Bwaahahaha. LOL!

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I only had to chain up once and there are people there that do it for you.

7 years 18 weeks ago, 2:45 PM

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the kid was impressed with the fact that the Navy actually let HIM carry a gun! He was practicing the quick draw trick where the gun is drawn from the holster, then the slide is forced against the upper part of holster pushing slide rearward, gun discharges causing bullet to puncture foot.
As for the other fellow, it was a suicide gone wrong. He was laying across a bed with the gun on his chest. He raised his left arm to take a puff on his smoke and the gun in his right hand went off. All that happened as I drove into the parking lot. He met me at the door and asked for a ride to town. By the time I could lay down my lunch and work clothes security had the bldg surrounded.

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 2:47 PM

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has sam started a "style" thing on here.. i don't wana change mine, and ya can't make me..
..........The fact that i don't know how has nothing to do with it..

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 2:58 PM

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to fear so got rid of it.
Easy to change, once you find the golden key at the bottom of the enchanted pond surrounded by a moat full of 'gaters.
Yep, nothing to it :<)

I'm more into making holes in paper than scaring old women and kids so this avatar suits me to a T.
I like yours, very quaint.

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 3:01 PM

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expen$ive back rub,
See ya

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 3:04 PM

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Cutter, you remember the dump that was in back of the hanger at sangley pt. We had to post watch on it to keep kids from climbing thru it for anything they could dig up worth anything.
I had a squadron mate named Joe Delile, i will never forget this guy, typical fast talking NYC type who you coldn't spend 10 min with without getting into trouble. Joe was just one adventure after another, and i really tried to avoid him as i always had to put out what ever fire he had started.. anyway, we had a Chief who calls me aside one day and says, Ed, joe says he needs a 45 on that post whata ya say..(guarding the dump was Joes permanent gig) Now any kid at that age would love to have a weapon issued to him.. but this was like the turning point in my life where i grew up.. I said "Chief, if you issue a pistol for that post it's just a matter of time till Joe either shoots some philipino kid, or himself".. Im guessing the guy you knew who shot himself was my old buddy Joe....

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 3:07 PM

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see ya later Cutter.

If nothing else in this world...i am indeed "quaint"
outa here, later guys.

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7 years 18 weeks ago, 3:11 PM

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this is a corrected "double tap" cause i couldn't delete it, now for everyones good, im outa here.

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