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6 years 34 weeks ago, 8:57 AM

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Two Party System

I for one believe the two party system to be a load of horse shit. This constant war on our own land between so called Republicans and Democrats is tiring and unnecessary. People today have dropped their morale values for those of the party of their choice. No longer do people vote on who represents them best but rather of who represents their party best. This is wrong and should be taken care of. The two party system is just a mirror to make people feel accepted. As long as people feel accepted by their group and peers then they believe to be doing something of importance when in reality they are just adding to the poison which is slowly dividing this country and making it weaker.

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6 years 34 weeks ago, 9:40 AM

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Two parties

The two party system is devisive and way too powerful. They divide up the power and wealth of this country for their own gain. They are spending Hundreds of Millions of Dollars for what? POWER and CONTROL...
Abolish the PARTY SYSTEM, STRICT 2 TERM LIMITS AND MAKE THE CANDIDATES DECLARE WHERE THEY STAND & HOW THEY WILL VOTE ON KEY ISSUES.

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6 years 34 weeks ago, 10:08 AM

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Term limits 2

How about a 3 month election cycle. They can start on Aug 1 if their election is in Nov. Until then they stay on their jobs for which they were elected and we pay them for.

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6 years 34 weeks ago, 10:03 AM

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Exactly

No better explanation!

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6 years 34 weeks ago, 10:34 AM

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no party

Thats why independent is such a grate stance. I refuse to let a "party" tell me which is a better way to run a certain issue. I will decide on the issue at the time it comes up. Situations change and so do the answers! One set way of doing his won't et shit done, but deciding what is best for the issue at the time it needs taking care of, is. I never understood how people let it get like this. ONLY 2 DIFFERENT VIEW POINTS? Prepicked and canned for your enjoyment? I am in no way a simple man, nor am I easily tricked. I don't understand how allot of the world works but I have learned more then most 23 year olds. I can tell you that it blows my mind to think that righteous people without personal agendas are so far apart that these self serving "FUCKS!" are able to get into such power with such support...does power corrupt that harshly that it leaves no one honest enough or with enough support to change things? I think this country is in a fragile state. We are nowhere near where we need to be and yet to change things so drastically right now would be suicide! I got to leave for a minute but I'm sure you all understand what I'm trying to get at.

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6 years 34 weeks ago, 10:41 AM

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yes we do

Independent is the best way to stand because of what you just stated.

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6 years 34 weeks ago, 10:05 AM

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2 party proliferation

This is what I love about the constitution. We as Americans are free to assemble and discuss our freedoms.
President Washington, while leaving his post as the first President asked the people of America to not have a party system. He wanted citizens to vote for the person and thus that persons views. Unfortunately, we have let the lawmakers fabricate themselves a job. I like samD's idea of strict 2 term limits. That would mean the maximum time in the senate would be 8 consecutive years, 12 consecutive years in the House, and 8 consecutive years in the Presidency. What do we do about the Justices? Should they also have a set term? As it is now, they can be a Justice for the rest of their life.

The United States Government is designed for the status quo. If you ever get the chance to sit on a municipal meeting, I would highly recommend it. Change in a Republic is determent on compromise. You want a road paved in your county but you don't want taxes raised, you sacrifice a commodity. That is your county's compromise. I believe the reason we have 2 parties is basic sociology and math.

The sociology of the matter is we are simple creatures. It could be argued all the way back to simpler times when we were surviving on the land. You either were a hunter pr a gatherer. In order for the community to survive the early days of man, everyone contributed. We see a 2 party system in the hunters versus the gatherers. Of course this 2 party system was for the greater good of the community. It added to the lifestyle and created free time for the citizens to enjoy. Whenever a society starts to have an abundance of free time, people start to shirk their duties. I am sure everyone that has taken the time to read this opinion of mine can think of someone close to them that did not do their job and you were forced (for the better of your community) to complete it. Blame rears is heavy and violent head.

So the hunters brought back 1 less deer this year because Ogo got eaten by a lion. It is immediately thought that the reason the community eats less this winter is because the "bad" hunters did not do their job. The gatherers completed their tasks, why can't the hunters complete theirs? I will run as leader of the gatherers to make the hunters work harder to bring us our food. Well, if the gatherers have a leader, the hunters will also have a leader. They need to defend themselves against "unwarranted" claims. Good versus evil.

None of us are dumb here on this board. I think we recognize the proliferation of the 2 party system grows stronger everyday. The Republicans and Democrats know what they have for a career. I believe congress is the most powerful monopoly in history. The 2 parties work together to ensure job security. These politicians know that a representative republic is based on status quo. They will fire up an issue now and then to quell the frustration of the citizens. Look no farther than an "independent" who is running for office to see examples of the "good ol' boys" club. The "independent" gets attacked by both sides. The Democrats and Republicans gang up on the 3rd party to silence a different opinion so they can get back to sterilizing the Proletariate with empty promises of wealth, power, etc.

Ambivalence and greed have led us to this crossroads. A collective action problem leads the difficulty in changing the system we have. I do believe the Stasyn's demographic could overcome this hurdle. But only after samD's generation has died (sorry samD). There are too many voters that remember the great depression and vote a straight ticket. Both sides (although it is more abundant on the Democrat side). We might also see a change in thinking now because our collective greed has been curtailed and we are now just raising from our ambivalent slumber.

clint

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6 years 34 weeks ago, 10:26 AM

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Well said

Just don't bury my poor old ass, yet!

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6 years 34 weeks ago, 10:18 AM

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Very Intuitive Clint

Very intuitive Clint. My hats off to you and your thoughts.

6 years 34 weeks ago, 11:04 AM

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Spoilers

Spoilers.
Its called a "spoiler" a vote for anyone other than the two major candidates is a vote for the one you want to lose. Its almost a no win situation.

6 years 33 weeks ago, 2:50 PM

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A vote for someone other than who you truly believe is the best choice is a wasted vote in my opinion.

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6 years 33 weeks ago, 3:00 PM

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got it

I vote for Bill Clinton...is he on the ticket?

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6 years 33 weeks ago, 6:14 PM

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Found this on another site and thought it very interesting.Hey Skeeter 51 and Sytasyn_Syn, thanks for the welcome. How's this for getting my feet wet? This is a little long but very true. From Charlie Reese a former columnist for the Orlando Sentinal. 545 people. Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems, then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits If all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, Why do we have inflation and high taxes? Youand I don't propose a federal budget. The President does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. Yuo and I don't write the tax codes, Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy, The Federal Reserve Bank does. One hundred senators, 435 Congressmen, one President, and 9 Supreme Court Justices, 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country. Excluded are the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a Federally chartered, but private, central bank. I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton- picking thing. I don'y care if they offer a politician $1 million in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes. Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party. What separates a polotician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the Speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto, if they agree to. It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted--by present facts of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist. If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Army and Marines are in Iraq, it's because they want them in Iraq. There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like " the economy", "inflation," or " politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do. Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They and they alone, have the power They and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess. He goes on to say it would take several years to vote ALL of them out. Now what ya got to say about Barney Boy Frank and Chucky Rangle.

6 years 33 weeks ago, 6:18 PM

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Wow jwg! Didn't expect you to jump into the deep end so soon. LOL!

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6 years 33 weeks ago, 6:22 PM

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Got it covered!

Sent the wife out back for a BIG stick to 'fend' off the "enemy" She told me lol, your on your own.

6 years 33 weeks ago, 6:25 PM

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Big stick

Good luck then. I know I always got to whip out the BIG stick to ward off haters. lol

"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson---------------------------------------------------------- Happiness is a beer in one hand and a gun in the other!

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