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Britain, Australia top U.S.
in violent crime
Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures
Posted: March 02, 2001
1:00 am Eastern

By Jon Dougherty
© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com

Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:

* The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan.

* Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures;

* "After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24 percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the London Telegraph said.

* England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5 percent of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1 percent in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed among the "top 10" nations.

* The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4 percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark was second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.

Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization rates -- just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the Irish Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in 1988, to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder rates was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they note that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories -- burglary (3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall victimization (about 31 percent).

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).

In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread gun ban, violent crime had increased in the country.

WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story:

* Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
* Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
* Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.
* In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent.
* In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily.
* There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
5 years 12 weeks ago, 5:05 PM

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Take away guns = violent crime
Keep them in the hands of law abiding citizens = Less criminals

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 6:34 PM

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Thanks for posting
If we could rid ourselves of
a certain 16% of our population
our homicide rate would be close
to that of Vatican City

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nice info maybe you should forward this to http://www.bradycampaign.org/

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 10:02 PM

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Publicity

Just try to get this data publicized on any of the major networks (except FOX), or wire services and you're sure to be shit out of luck. Their minds are made up; don't confuse them with facts.

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5 years 11 weeks ago, 9:59 PM

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Not to mention

The only "violent crime" indicated was "contact crime". I am assuming this means assaults, rapes, and murders. The other crimes listed such as burglaries and auto thefts are considered non-confrontational crimes and Professor John Lott found in his groundbreaking study that these types of crimes actually increase when right to carry laws are passed, while confrontational or violent crimes decrease. Criminals don't stop comitting crimes when concealed carry laws are passed, they just go to crimes that are less likely to get them shot.

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5 years 11 weeks ago, 10:39 PM

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I have to say that I don't much care about murder rates, as they don't take into account who is murdering who. Murders over drug territory, gang-related murders, and other criminal-on-criminal crimes should be disregarded when comparing us to other industrialized countries, as those don't affect the normal citizenry. A cop here had a pretty good word of advice for those of us who didn't want to worry about home-invasion style robberies; stop dealing meth. Most home-invasions are drug related. Those types of things don't happen to normal citizens as often as some would believe.

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5 years 11 weeks ago, 10:46 PM

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remember

guns don't kill people...its the bullet that rips threw brain matter..that does the trick

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5 years 11 weeks ago, 11:08 PM

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nobody knows what you'll do in that situation, but if it was to protect my family...that intruder would be dead dead dead.

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5 years 11 weeks ago, 11:20 PM

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yeah bearmeat

i heard the 911 call...he was told to stand down and still shot them....perhaps there were allot of break-ins in the neighborhood who knows.. it was excessive, but did'nt he get away with it?

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5 years 11 weeks ago, 11:30 PM

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well

when in Rome ....I guess....He was tried by a jury and acquitted, thats all i can ask for.

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5 years 11 weeks ago, 2:25 PM

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This was justice

Whether they were armed or not makes no difference. The fact that they were entering a house that wasn't theirs, taking things that didn't belong to them, violating someone else's rights, they deserved to die. If more of this happened, crime wouldn't be what it is today. That's real neighborhood watch right there. Fuck 'em and hope they rot in hell.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 10:40 PM

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Deja vu?

Why is this listed as a recent post? I'm sure I read it yesterday

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 10:58 PM

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Huh? I don't get it.

I don't know why I'm so stupid. I haven't decided which side of the "nature vs nurture" debate I'm on, so I don't know if I'm stupid because both my parents were stupid or if it's because I graduated from the Missouri public education system. I guess I'd rather be stupid than a cowardly little piece of shit panty-waist faggot that hides behind the anonymity of the internet. Oh, that's right. Your shit gets deleted so you come in here for (insert lame fuckin' reason here), only to have it gone the next morning. Now I get it. So I'm just slow, not really stupid. And you're still a cowardly little piece of shit panty-waist faggot. Every once in a while, you encounter another person who, no matter how badly your day is going, makes you thankful that you're not them. Thank you, beatmymeat, for being that person. Pussy.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:49 PM

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I argue with myself quite a bit already. Now it looks like I do it online, too. No it doesn't. Don't start, dickhead. Fine. Fuck you. What? Nothing.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:53 PM

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so I will do everything in my power to keep him out of here. He personally attacks me almost everytime he posts here. I just say let him post his drivel, you won't ever change this assholes mind, so why bother. Pick on ebear!

5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:05 PM

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how about

Bob Martin?

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:11 PM

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Bob who?

I don't mind messing with ebear. What I would really love, though, is to meet beatmymeat in person. I don't mind differing opinions, but for someone to hide behind the internet and make attacks like that, well, it's like my rant awhile back about people who do things while driving that they wouldn't do standing in front of me because they think their vehicle makes them tough. Oh well. Guess I'll have to beat my wife to calm down.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:14 PM

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Another liberal weenie, who doesn't think we need any guns...

5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:31 PM

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yeah sam

maybe I meant austinbob, I just knew there was a "bob" in there somewhere. SORRY BOB MARTIN, I wasn't callin you a lib weenie! Anyways, I just noticed that his comments got deleted. Runaway, don't beat your wife. Thats why god made little people.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:17 PM

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Bob Martin is logged in. Bobby, are you a liberal? Why is Reaper taking your name in vain? Or is it vein? Ah, who cares?

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:18 PM

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The only thing between you and being a slave is us concerned citizens, with enough moxie to keep up the good fight for our 2nd Ammendment Rights. You better fucking hope they don't ever get all of our guns, because we are the only defense between you, tyranny and the really bad guys, who won't give up their illegal guns, ie: crooks and gangbangers.

5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:35 PM

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I don't have a dwarf.

I don't call them little people, because they're not people. They're like goldfish, only creepier. I would still love it if the army issued me a dwarf to clean my equipment and for me to kick when I get mad.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:46 PM

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because dwarfs live with hob gobblins and ferrys and use the precious for a cock ring... but if you had a U.S G.I midget carnie, you could send him in to flank, provide supressive fire, and distract the enemy with his goldfish bowls and ping pong balls. maybe even a moble ied on stubs. runaway, you're going to dance with the devil anyways, just go beat the wife and tell her wyatt is coming... and he's coming with him

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:50 PM

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in my rucksack with an MP5 so it could pull rear security, but I'd be worried that it would use it's little dwarf brain and decide to shoot me for kicking it, so nix that idea. My wife is a Missouri woman, so she's good at getting beat. It's what we do in that state. It's kinda our thing.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 4:05 PM

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she looks like the type that you better not go to sleep, because she might make it permanent. Didn't you lose to her in an arm wrestling contest?

5 years 10 weeks ago, 4:13 PM

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Not to her, samD

I lost to an eight year old ladyboy from Thailand. I've never lost to my wife at anything. But that's probably because she has my balls in her cargo pocket and I'm not man enough to actually challenge her at anything. It's a sad little life. DAMN THE MIDGETS!!!!

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 6:36 PM

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bearshitforbrains is casting aspersions about you! This guy is so sick, do you see why it is so fun frustrating him by constantly deleting him/her/it!

5 years 10 weeks ago, 6:45 PM

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Who is this baremymeat for otherguys? God how I hate liberal morons. These panty waste for human beings wouldn't be able to give there opion if it wasnt for people like us. Just Thank us and crawl away.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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Don't fear, beatmymeat

I live off post and actually walk around off duty in civilian clothes and even - gasp - carry a gun or two. i haven't yet gone nuts on the liberals here. Well, there was one time where I geared up and waited for the cops to come to the house, but I calmed down when I realized it was all in my head. And "Duh"? How old are you, nancy boy? Please stop PMing me with those odd friendship requests, I'm not interested. You are a worthless fucking loser and I appreciate you constantly coming in here because you're like everyone's online happy sock, you fucking cum dumpster. Eat shit and die. And the wonderful thing is that if we met face to face, I would still say these things, and you would simply bleed and cry.

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