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5 years 41 weeks ago, 4:48 PM

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for those who carry concealed and are concerned with home defense:

"Today is definitely NOT a good day to die.............
Tomorrow doesn't look good either."

seen on a concealed carry site, by DeadeyeDick

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 41 weeks ago, 6:41 PM

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I take it to heart!

5 years 41 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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Well, not so much a question, but my vocabulary is relatively limited, primarily being restricted to quoting the vernacular and utilizing derogatory terminology, but I digress. Did that even make sense? Anyway, her's what I think about; where is a good line between self preservation and the determintation to win the fight? I would like to say that I in no way consider myself a tough guy or a badass, but every time I encountered small arms fire, whether directed at me or not, I immediatley oriented toward the shot(s) and began moving toward it. Once in OIF 1, we were taking a lunch break in an abandoned administration building. The building was a circular shape with a breezeway big enough to drive our vehicle through. We were inside the circle when we heard four rifle rounds fired from the outside of the building. I immediately went thorugh a window and began clearing rooms around the left side, moving about halfway around the building. My thought was that I didn't want any bad guys to be able to move through the building to our rear. We waited to try to get a better position, but found out it was an Iraqi policeman firing into the air as a wedding party dove by. They celebrate like cowboys. Now, in hindsight, I made a couple errors that could have been fatal had those shots been the beginning of an attack on us. One, I didn't communicate my intentions to the rest of the squad, I simply assumed someone else was clearing down the opposite side of the circle. Two, I didn't designate someone to come with me. Let me tell you, clearing a dozen or so rooms, both side of a hallway by yourself, is physically and emotionally demanding, to say the least. This was not the first or the last time I reacted without giving a conscious thought, but even after going over and over things to myself, I haven't been able to do any differently. All this drivel leads up to my concern; where is the line between trying to preserve your own life and aggressively taking the fight to the enemy? I've never done anything as stupid as "John Wayne-ing" it down the middle of a street or alley, I've always used available cover and concealment and movement techniques, but I don't think seeking cover and firing at your assailant from a static position is the best way to win a fight. I can attest to the fact that when you maneuver on an opponent when they are expecting you to run or sit still waiting for the big guns to come, their brains vapor lock and they become overwhelmed very easily. This has all been a jumble of thoughts and perhaps some intelligent member such as samD, schuyler, or LLE can decipher it.It is a very good thread, LLE. I would add that we carry weapons for defense, but once that weapon must be brought to bear, the mind should be in offensive, not defensive, mode.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 41 weeks ago, 11:33 PM

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yet, a very perplexing ultimate question. First--I cannot imagine being the guy who has to clear a dozen or so rooms anywhere, let alone on both sides of a hallway. I know what it was like doing a shooting house clearing exercise, when I knew the bad guys were not going to actually shoot back, unless the instructor said I screwed up, and I was wounded or dead. That was still very scary, because I had to move thru it, and instantaneously assess the threat and make a shoot/no shoot decision, and try not to kill the innocent. The temperature that November afternoon was 38 degrees, and I was soaked with sweat.
Your last sentence is the one that bears some analysis. At the risk of sounding like a Psychology professor, here goes.
Premise #1- [I know you and probably most other readers will HATE this].
There is no such thing as a "mind". The idea [of such a "thing"] is called, in science, a "hypothetical construct." If you believe that I may be in error about this, I would challenge anyone to find one for us, take a picture of it, and post it for all to see.
Premise #2- Suppose that I am correct about Premise #1. Then your last sentence puts you at a distinct disadvantage in a dynamic situation, because you are presupposing that something that does not exist, should be directing you.["the mind should be in offensive, not defensive mode"] Maybe like some kind of black box satellite talking to you thru brain implants, to which you react.
Premise #3- To survive, we all need to understand that we are consciously observing/analyzing/assessing/BEHAVING organisms. We, who are born and raised into seeing behavior in one dimensional scales [like good versus bad], will see this question as "where do I have to be on the behavioral dimension of?"--
Completely Defensive............................Completely Offensive
Therefore our psychological "set"[meaning readiness to cope] does not make full use of behavioral capability that is multifaceted.

But others have been born and raised differently. Their thinking is simultaneously multi-dimensional. In such a dynamic and threatening environment, their "set" is more like, "From instant to instant, I will behave somewhere on at least two dimensions, simultaneously:
Not at all Defensive...............................Completely Defensive

Not at all Offensive ..............................Completely Offensive

I believe multi-dimensional "set" is the way to behave in a high-stakes survival situation. But it has to start with a new way of thinking, for most of us.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 6:00 AM

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When faced with numerous bad guys in a building you; A. Call for Artillery
B. Burn the f------ building down C. General hypothesis of a situation of this sort would initially call for "Aggression", burning the f------building down and engaging any escapees with small arms fire.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 7:01 AM

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i like a bon fire as much as the next guy but when the politician in washington says you can't destroy the buildings then what??..what about dogs??..

I have reasons for the things I do, just don't expect them to be reasonable
5 years 40 weeks ago, 8:28 AM

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Answer: Gas (pls refer back to my previous recommendation at C. Engage escapees with an abundance of small arms fire).

(You have to look behind all of that outer space stuff)
5 years 40 weeks ago, 2:17 PM

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First off, LLE, the term "mindset" is a term used to describe a state of being. There isn't rally an actual dumbass, but we use that term too. Think of it as slang if helps you wrap your "mind" around the con cept. My post was intended to highlight a mindset and how it may or may not be applicable to the civilian world...sort of. I admit that it is a jumble of thoughts and I'll probably start another thread once I've gathered them into a more coherent cluster. Charley and ivan, the idea of dropping a building with artillery in the center of the city for a few bad guys isn't feasilble, as it takes forever to get authorization for an artillery mission inside a city nowadays. We don't use gas, and even CS (tear gas) is considered a chemical agent, so it's not issued to us. As for burning the building down, it's pretty hard to set fire to bare concrete. If you notice in my post, I said it was an abandoned administration building. If you look at pictures of just about any government offices not actually occupied in those days, you'll see that they've all been gutted and stripped of absolutely everything. This was no exception. And the gunfire came from outside the building. Our hands aren't tied as badly as some would have us believe, as I have assisted in burning a mosque down, but the law of proportionality still applies.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 3:36 PM

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yesterday,from Sotomayor. The word "mindset" may be in the dictionary, but for the purposes of my posting, it is meaningless. Slang has never been a good tool for serious discussion, that is why I used the word "set" and defined it. The discussion has now taken on an aspect similar to two ships passing in the night, without the benefit of radar.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 2:25 PM

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Are you margins still cut off? Look in lower right corner and see the little magnifying glass. If it is over 100% set it bac. If 100% move it to 75%.

5 years 40 weeks ago, 2:39 PM

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samD

They still cut off, and I don't have a magnifying glass. I'll deal with it. There's a
lot about the new setup I dislike, but I can deal with it.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 40 weeks ago, 4:33 PM

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Okay, LLE

Since you are concerned about something that doesn't exist (the mind) directing you, then what does? What word or phrase is best used to describe the nerouns firing in the brain, causing slow and fast-twitch muscle fibers to be brought to bear in a certain action of set of actions. Since you challenge us to submit a picture of the mind, I challenge you to submit a picture of the wind. Not the debris moved by the wind, the wind itself. I'm sorry if going to the soon-to-be-defunct Front Sight has warped your whateveryoucallit, and perhaps the word "slang" was the wrong one, but I'm betting everyone except you knows exactly what I'm talking about when I refer to mindset. Or, more likely, you know exactly what I mean and choose to argue over semantics rather than have a discussion over what constitutes the proper mindset in an armed confrontation.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 40 weeks ago, 6:03 PM

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1) If you need a "best" word or phrase, I suggest you read a text on human physiology, specifically regarding the central and autonomic nervous systems. Start with the 12 cranial nerves, and work downward, to neuromuscular junctures.
2) When you produce the result of meeting my challenge, I will produce the result of meeting yours.
3) I have already given my opinion on effective behavior under armed confrontation. Arguing that I am arguing "semantics" is the easy way out. You know perfectly well I am not arguing semantics. Language controls thinking. If the language in a discussion is defective, the communications will be defective. That is what has happened here.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 40 weeks ago, 12:01 AM

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My "best" phrase

is mindset. Mindset is a phrase that everyone but you understands. Perhaps being a Front Sight/Ignatius Piazza devotee, I should use something more like "Mystical Mind/Body connection attained by drinking Dr Piazza's sweat and shooting an Uzi". Your opinion on effective behavior under armed confrontation is that a person's performance will be half as good as range performance. This is a ridiculous assertion and has no scientific or even anecdotal support. You're not even arguning semantics, you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Your method of arguing is laughable and is obvious to anyone with even the most basic education; you say everyone else is wrong, yet offer no argument of your own.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:23 AM

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Let's see if we can analyze your last posting. You are a devotee of the old, time worn style of argument that falsely attributes wildly conjured, negative characteristics [e.g., Piazza beliefs] to your "opponent", because you have no valid counter-arguments. Talk about "laughable": are nasty labels and name-calling next? You also put words in the mouth of your "opponent" so that you can build a straw man to attack. Especially egregious is your libelous accusation that I "say everyone else is wrong."
My posting on the original subject is there for all of us to read. If it is read carefully, it will be clear that it is opinion based upon education, experience and observation, and it was offered solely because it might have been of some interest to our members. There is no right or wrong suggested. Obviously, everyone is free to reject anything I wrote, or offer their own ideas, hopefully, without initiating a posting war,

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:31 AM

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categorized as argumentative drivel, and rejected.
Posting war averted. Whew, that was close.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:36 AM

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are accepted for what they are worth, also.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:36 AM

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Okay

Okay

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