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5 years 22 weeks ago, 5:35 PM

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watch yer ass snake

By Tim Hepher

PARIS (Reuters) - Snipers or assassins could be spotted in their nests before even firing a shot thanks to laser surveillance technology to be unveiled in Britain Tuesday.

European and U.S. companies are accelerating research into a anti-sniper defenses in response to threats in Afghanistan and Iraq and at home -- but most systems use acoustic or thermal sensors that depend on waiting for the first shot.

An alternative developed by the European aerospace group EADS aims to warn of attack and pinpoint the sniper before he pulls the trigger by bouncing light off his telescopic sight.

"It is the same principle as 'cat's eyes' in the middle of the road," said Peter Talbot-Jones, research team leader at EADS Innovation Works at Newport in Wales.

'Cat's eyes' behave like the retina of a cat by reflecting light from a car's headlamps to illuminate lines on the road.

Resembling a speed radar on a tripod, the ELLIPSE unit sweeps a protected zone with laser beams. These are reflected back off any lens they hit. A processor then distinguishes the signature of a sniper's sight from that of, say, a camera lens.

"We aim to use a sniper's technology against him," said Talbot-Jones, who served with British forces in Afghanistan, where ex-Soviet Dragunov sniper rifles are readily available.

If several machines are deployed around a dignitary at a political rally or in a sports stadium, the position of a sniper could be revealed as soon as the sight is spotted by "triangulation," the technique used in GPS satellite navigation.

Harmless reflections from photographic lenses and binoculars would be identified and discarded, Talbot-Jones said.

For years, detecting snipers depended on the type of sleuth work depicted in Hollywood thrillers -- figuring out where a military marksman or lone wolf killer might try to hide. Only recently has technology begun to tip the balance.

Britain's QinetiQ recently launched a palm-sized device called EARS to locate sniper fire through acoustics.

EADS, which stumbled on its optical technique through anti-missile research, hopes to present its idea to the hosts of London's 2012 Olympics as a way of shielding dignitaries.

The civil threat from snipers revives sensitive memories of past assassinations such as that of U.S. President John F. Kennedy, a week before Barack Obama is due to be sworn in amid tight security as the first African American U.S. president.

Colorado police last year arrested three men and seized sniper equipment over a suspected plot to kill Obama, but later said they did not pose a serious threat.

The EADS project reflects defense firms' efforts to diversify into security amid pressure on military budgets.

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5 years 22 weeks ago, 6:47 PM

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where did ya find this?

5 years 22 weeks ago, 6:50 PM

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Forum I post on, The Hide, you may be familiar. I found it interesting that it uses reflective light from the op's scope. I say stock up on some cheap glass and throw em out all over you AO

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5 years 22 weeks ago, 7:59 PM

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Prblem solve

to avoid scope glare use see through fabric. For example: Take a peice of thin bed sheet. then get a rubber band and put it over your scope. problem solved.

5 years 22 weeks ago, 8:41 PM

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look big, if you use your sheets? LOL

5 years 22 weeks ago, 8:59 PM

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SamD

then what do ya have in mind then

5 years 22 weeks ago, 9:28 PM

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Being I am into long range shooting also, I think your best bet would be maybe a smoke or yellow scope lens cover. I bet a piece of a womans nylon would work to. They under estamate how smart a sniper is, where there is a kill there is a way.

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5 years 22 weeks ago, 9:45 PM

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Hillbilly77

I agree. If theres a target there is allways a vantage point.

5 years 22 weeks ago, 10:20 PM

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I guess we just will have to wait till its on Future Weapons to see, I would think that if they thought of being able to differentiate between a camera lens and a rifle, they may have thought of anti glare/honeycomb filters/scope extension tubes. I do agree that something like nylon or a fine mesh would probably help your chances though.

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5 years 22 weeks ago, 11:14 PM

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I wouldn't trust my life to pantyhose guess, a honeycomb either... we don't know how sensitive it is that laser could penetrate right through that bed sheet snake... best bet is to figure out this things ability whether it needs a high vantage point and can lase in only a certain degree of sight... get above it or get below it... shots from a sewer, blow a window right before a shot... I know that gives away a position but if you've got good distance you can get away with it... There's too many unknowns with this one guys... We need to do some more research on it.

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5 years 22 weeks ago, 1:35 AM

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Anyone who intends to do harm to someone with the stature and security of, say, Obama, has to know they are going to get caught. This device may help catch people, but I don't see it being effective in preventing much. Of course, the people who designed this are much smarter than me, but someone as dumb as me isn't a threat.

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5 years 22 weeks ago, 1:01 PM

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If they catch the guy

If they catch this guy he will live like a king in prison. I do not condone the killing of a presidennt. The guys inside will put the guy on a pedestal and praise his name, and make him the single most famous killer of all time. It probably will end up being some redneck hick that we all get accused of being. This will be a very sad day in America, it will cause a complete down fall of the civil rights movement.

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