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3 years 18 weeks ago, 3:41 PM

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I cannot believe that a year has gone by since I posted the story of the nine year old boy's recollections of the "Day that will live in Infamy". People are fond of saying that the older you get, the faster time passes, and I am beginning to believe this.

I will never forget that day, however. It was a day that, in retrospect, galvanized a fat and happy nation, almost instantaneously. It turned us into a nation of invincable fighters. EVERYBODY was in the fight, each in his own way---

From kids collecting tin cans, newspapers, aluminum foil, scrap metal and bacon fat, to women working in the "mens'" jobs in the defense industry, to the hundreds of thousands of young patriots who did not wait to be called in the "draft", this nation fulfilled Yamamoto's worst nightmare---the terrble sleeping giant was awakened, and enraged.

To my way of thinking, it was one of the proudest periods of history I have personally lived through.

Would that that spirit of invincibility were alive and well today. If it were--heaven help the North Koreans, the Iranian terrorists, the Syrians, the Islamo-extremists, and the illegal aliens, to name a few. But alas, my friends............I think we may have lost it.

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before things are fixed...

3 years 18 weeks ago, 6:29 PM

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your fear [and mine] are probably well justified the way things are going at present.

"Laugh so hard, that even 'Sorrow' smiles at you. Live life so well, that even 'Death' loves to see you alive". (author unknown) "....would someone please show this poor asshole the way out of town?"....Avram Belinsky, the "Frisco Kid".
3 years 18 weeks ago, 4:27 PM

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Me too Sam. I recently came across a quote from Cicero "Freedom suppressed and again reagined bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." I can't help but feel we will have to have it happen before people really appreciate what previous generations have done for us.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 8:17 PM

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I think about how powerfully self absorbed we were, and how we tried to avoid getting directly caught up in the threat of Naziism in Europe OR the debacle being perpetrated in the Far East by the Japanese. At nine years of age, I was unable to understand the implications of my country's behavior---OK we will send "lend-Lease" weapons and materials to our British friends, but we are not going to get further involved. And we will try to demonstrate to the Japanese that we do not approve of the "rape" of the Far East, and if they will not be restrained, we will cut off their oil imports. It was naive, in retrospect----all that got us was sunken Liberty Ships in the Atlantic and Pearl Harbor in the Pacific. Too late did we learn the lesson that in reality WE, as well as the rest of the free world, were facing a serious EXISTENTIAL threat.

Fast forward to the present, and I am a lot older and at least somewhat smarter. I ask myself, every day--" How can we not realize that we are now, once again, faced with a serious EXISTENTIAL threat?!" It is called, "worldwide jihad", being perpetrated by the stateless Islamo terrorist-extremist entities like Hezbolla, al Qaida, Taliban, Fatah, and their many fellow travellers, in many cases financed and abetted by the pretenders to the throne of the Second Persian Empire--aka Iran. MY FRIENDS--You do not have to be either a genius or a raving, lunatic paranoid to know--THEY ARE OUT TO "GET US", no matter how long it may take.

Consider the position of our staunchest ally in the middle east. Israel has been told that they will be wiped off the face of the earth by the insane would-be leaders of the Islamic-extremist cause. Israel is now faced with an almost IMMEDIATE existential threat. Do we seriously believe the Israelis are going to wait for their "Pearl Harbor"? I doubt it. In some way, they will launch a well planned preemptive strike, and that will be the beginning of a potentially catastrophic conflagration, in the middle east. Ultimately, this could result in the final World War. And all because our Administration is doing next to nothing in the face of such a possibility? [Clumsy, ever escalating "gun boat diplomacy". Ostensibly telling Ahmedinijad and Khameinie we can live with Iran having nuclear weapons.] The lessons of history tell us that appeasement and gradualism are not often effective remedies when an international foe tells you to "stuff it" ----" we will be coming for you, too".
I believe we need an Executive branch leader with a style somewhat like President Reagan--one who will communicate privately, directly and firmly what we believe is best, and by when this is going to happen. We can ill afford any Neville Chamberlain style gradualistic appeasement behavior, at this point. Folks like North Korea, Syria, Iran and even Russia need to get the message: We are nice people, but our patience is short, and if there is going to be a confrontation, you may be certain we are going to be very far ahead in the power curve.

So, as we contemplate Pearl Harbor Day,once more, let's all remember the lessons of history, and seriously consider what we are facing ,now. WE must work hard to insure our next president is one who will not shrink from this existential challenge. If we are unable to do THAT, all of our financial, economic, infrastructure and sociological problems really do not matter........

"Laugh so hard, that even 'Sorrow' smiles at you. Live life so well, that even 'Death' loves to see you alive". (author unknown) "....would someone please show this poor asshole the way out of town?"....Avram Belinsky, the "Frisco Kid".
2 years 19 weeks ago, 4:08 PM

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Donald J. Trump agrees with LLE. "It is time to get tough"

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And the JAPS own HI as the trains are for them only :>( Was talking to a devil dog did 2 weeks there this year with family he hated every part of them might be cause he did 5 yrs in japan ...................................................TY

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guessing most all of us have a high value interest in history, i spend my days going from history channel to history channel..(note to direct tv customers.. smithsonian channel (565) is great) but were blessed with a member like LLE who's posts are equal to think tank blogs... great work sir..

of course your right on all. but i'm afraid the situation is beyond non intervention.. if you want to take the wrong side in an argument ... try supporting our sanction policy.. the only result of that will be uniting an Iranian populace. afraid this ones not going to end well.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 11:10 AM

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LLE, Thank you

Another very insightful and thought provoking piece.
Yes you are our resident Historian.
We also must support Israel for all we are worth.

2 years 19 weeks ago, 11:19 PM

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 11:11 AM

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 11:33 PM

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Something that boggles the mind is how many out there really forget that the USA has a very solid backbone.

Other countries seem to forget the fact that Japan pulled what they did after expanding their base of operations to include as many of the land masses leading back to it's national shores.

The US recovered enough to place Marines on ships with landing craft on them. Then sent the Navy to fight their way across the waters and in the Air to each land mass in turn. Once there they put US Marines on landing craft and took the battle to them with much death they returned to those same landing craft and loaded back on those ships and did it all over again, and again.

If anything, the sleeping Dragon came fully awake in all it's fury and placed pain and suffering on those who dared to think they could bend it to it's knees.

Your are correct sir, the world should never forget and our leaders should never fear of reminding them to play nice and honestly, to never forget that we do not push very far and when we push back it is ten fold.

Personally, I feel that one thing that should be placed in a dirt bed is that ever conniving G20...

Jihad is something we should not ignore without a doubt, but I feel that the G20 will destroy us faster and more complete than anything else in the world at this point in time.

Apathy is the Co Conspirator to defeat in any given situation.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 19 weeks ago, 12:34 AM

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For good, or not so good, I find myself trying to emulate Newt Gingrich. as regards, at least, the lessons of history. Ole Newt professes that Reagen is/was his favorite president, and on that point I have to agree with him. I disagree with him on his proposal on what to do about the problem of the "illegals", and perhaps a few other things, but I see him as the best hope for cutting the BS in our international policy, and making it abundantly clear to friend and foe, alike, where we "now" draw the important lines of international behavior.
There is a pretty well tested people management principle that says something like this:" in order to develop sound people management processes, you need to assess, in detail, the maturity level of those folks you are attempting to manage". I believe this principle holds true also for international relations. Thus, if you are dealing with entities which have shown themselves to have goals and objectives which obviously are deliberately inimical to the welfare of the rest of the world [let alone psychotic], your "management style" will become heavily authoritarian toward them, and the "big stick" will probably have to be brandished. The other extreme is dealing with good international citizens, with whom we have always dealt on a positive, mutual respect basis. Such maturity must be rewarded with a "management style" that in effect says, "there is no problem or disagreement we cannot resolve---come, let us reason together". Obviously there are nuances of management styles necessary for any situation, in between those extremes.
All of that is to say IMO, Newt understands and not only can, but will deliver the kind of representational international "behavior" required to perform this critical set of tasks effectively.
I am not lobbying or giving a campaign speech in his behalf. I am hoping against hope, however, to hear him debate Obama, face to face, no notes, no tele-prompters, and no forewarning of question content . My guess is, under those circumstances, we will finally see the REAL Obama.
Sorry for the long rant..............................

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 1:20 PM

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Sweet read LLE, glade to see you back on Sam. I love reading stuff like this, gets my Red-Blooded American feelings going again and puts me back on my toes. Whats worse is that if/when we do have ww3, there will be so much crime and problems here with all the liberal/hippies here, plus thugs. Its bad enough now, having to watch your back, but I would say that 80% of us TRUE Americans would fight this war, and that would leave the weak/stupid/immoral people left...and of course all the retired miliatry/LEO etc to fend for themselves along with the children. I pray for our country, and we need it for sure. We NEED God back in our country, for without him, our outlook is far worse than we could comprehend. I dont know what it will take to get the train back on tracks, but I sure hope it doesnt take another WW, because I would think it to be too late at that stage. Keep up the awesome posts, Love this site and all the great info and history lessons, I find myself yearning to learn more and more about the past.....went camping the last 7 days...went to Ft. Clinch.....I wonder if these old reminents of the civil war and wars previous will be the new battle grounds of the future?

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 12:38 PM

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than Neville Chamberlain. While proper etiquette should be observed (for the most part) when dealing with foreign heads of state, our nation was founded by people who were tired of bowing, and for Obama to bow to the king of Saudi Arabia, a nation who supports the very same people who attacked us, is absolutely unforgivable. And why he didn't smack Hugo Chavez with that book is beyond me. And then to give the queen of England an ipod, and to say the thing he did about the Israeli PM, shows he is not only weak, but incompetent. And of course there's the "Reset" button (incorrectly spelled) that Hillary had with the Russians. This administration is openly supporting the enemy while spitting in the faces of our strongest allies.

This is much worse than simple appeasement.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 8:11 PM

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complete agreement with you. The problem [defined as a VERY undesirable condition] is, IMO, that the vast majority of our citizenry does not KNOW or does not Care, if they do know-- about what you have described. Ignorance is bliss, especially if you are a consumer of federal government largess, and therefore our "leader" can do very little wrong in their eyes.

I believe that all of us here understand that the president has committed acts that probably qualify under the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors", and thus, should require the House to investigate and determine if an indictment for impeachment should be sent to the Senate. Alas, that probably will not happen, unless they also find out that he was enjoying sexual favors from a WH interne, but then denying it, under oath.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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This president has weathered all sorts of things that would probably have had serious investigations initiated with other presidents.

Obviously, the urge is there to say this hasn't happened because anybody who has raised objections would be labeled a racist, and that is probably part of it, but the simple fact is that the media is controlled by liberals and he is their messiah, so he is untouchable.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 8:26 PM

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"don't ask"

ok.. for what it's worth of course O is playing ball with the Saudie's.. you guys know my politics (go Newt) but the sucking up to King A (nope not going to try.. .. ok Abdulla maybe) is an ongoing issue that started back 40 years ago..

Our we supporting a repressive regime.. you bet.. but not as bad as the Shaw that cost us all of Iran.. the saudis are trying to be progressive.. gee their giving the women the vote in 2015.. and "MAYBE" letting them drive by 2050.. ha ha .. remember the pic with Geo. holding hands with the king..

sorta like run's and ebear.. .. hmm.. yep.. they have all those goats over there as well..

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 8:29 PM

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so obamba is toast

then the dems will ship in hillary,after all she has had a 3 year world tour courtesy of the US taxpayers,and she is looking more and more like Golda Meier.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 3:51 PM

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good looking and sexy, as Golda Maier was!!!!

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 8:37 PM

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I'd do Hillary..

man o man .. did i really write that..

telling you it's murder one if Gloria EVER sees this..

as i have less juevoes than even runs i will probabley delete later..

course i'd do Golda to..

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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We're talking about Hillary Swank, right? Oh, Clinton? Yeah, I'd do her too. I'd be brutal. She'd find herself lying in the fetal position in the shower trying to wash my stink off of her with a broken champagne bottle sticking out her keister, crying and sobbing "Why me" like Nancy Kerrigan, wishing for that "Reset" button she presented to the Russians so she could take the pain away. Heh heh heh.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 12:38 PM

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And you thought the other posts were odd? Thank you Runs, for making me look normal by comparison.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 8:59 PM

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Million dollar baby..

thats the thing about runs troops.. he's "proud" sick.. yep i can see ya climbing on to a paralyzed women.

whats really sad is i can see you going south on her for not "faking it"..

ok.. pushing the envelope for the "padre"..

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 9:11 PM

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I prolly would, greg

But she wouldn't need to fake it. I'd make her feel like the prettiest woman on the planet. Right up until the time I whip out a cigar and tell her "Bill says hi" ....

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Good post and I completely agree. It seems like it is the natural order of the universe, though. These things are cyclical. Prosperity and peace breeds complacency and sloth. Which causes war, famine, pestilence. Which thins the herd and makes for industrious people with humility, wisdom, and strength.

It will all come around, I think. But we have to go through the bad to get to the good.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 3:56 PM

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StJMB--Those are

sage observations, indeed. I wonder, however, if the circumstances will let us get "around", one more time!!

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Agreed. That is the question nagging me in the back of my mind. I try to ignore it as it's difficult to answer, but it is hard to ignore.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 12:58 PM

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I sorta agree, JM, but

how bad does it have to get? I'm 34 years old, so I wasn't old enough to remember Carter, or FDR, or any of the older socialist attempts at destroying our nation, and with the advent of the internet, bad news is much easier to see than in the days of one or two radio stations, so I don't really know if our situation is any worse than past woes, but with government handouts so rampant, funded by those of us who actually work and pay our taxes, I think it's gotten about as bad as it should. Add to that the fact that we conservatives really don't have a great candidate to get behind, and things look bleak. Like I said, I don't think we're at the point where things have gotten critical, but I do think the massive amount of information available on the internet and on the huge numbers of news channels has served primarily to desensitize people to the amount of corruption and waste these morons on the hill are funding with our money.

Look at how happy people get when they get a tax return. It's as if people look at it like a favor from the government, like it's a gift from Uncle Sam rather than what it really is, which is nothing more than a no-interest loan WE provide THEM with OUR money. And we get happy when they give some of it back after we jump through hoops and file our taxes.

I have heard a figure that federal welfare admits a 30% fraud rate, which means almost a third of the people collecting welfare aren't actually supposed to get it. I don't know if it's true, but I can say from experience with some of my immediate family members that there are certainly people gaming the system. These people either don't realize, or more likely, don't care that the money they're so skillfully stealing is coming from their neighbors.

People just go on about their daily routine, bitching about taxes, bitching about the do-nothings in congress, yet these same do-nothings have a huge reelection rate and keep the fraud going because God forbid you become the one who advocates taking free food off some "less fortunate" person's table.

It makes me sick and I could rant all day, but unfortunately, I'd be preaching to the choir here, and if you try telling one of the sheeple out there, they look at you like you have a dick growing out of your forehead.

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Sounds like you've been in my head from your post. This is exactly how I feel as well. But I have thought it through, worried about it, and tortured myself over it.

Maybe I've just given up, but I've decided that it's irreversible and it's destined to go this way until those of us left that still understand and care about liberty are fed up and force a change. Unfortunately, we are not there yet. There are a few of out there, like yourself and I, that are at that point now, but most are too timid to give up the calm of despotism for the tempestuous sea of liberty.

And if us few were to act now, all that would happen is we would be crushed, marginalized, made to look as extremist kooks, and forgotten about until the real shit happened. Then we might be viewed as martyrs. If anyone remembered.

I don't like it either, but sometimes the only way out is through.

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JM, I agree

I have to say if I weren't married with a son and another kid on the way, I might have taken some very desperate actions already. It's one of the reasons I left this site for so long. I see our current situation, read a lot of these posts, and found myself becoming very angry. Thinking about the direction our country has gone has literally kept me up at night. Assaults on our individual liberties and the way many in congress seem to view my freedoms as nothing more than a political debate has caused me to become very jaded toward the entire democratic process. I fully realize that trying to force change through the barrel of a gun truly is terrorism, but sometimes it seems that there aren't many other options.

That is, of course, the wrong answer at this point, and as you said, it wouldn't serve any purpose ut to alienate the vast majority of Americans. I'd be no better than Timothy McVeigh (If he actually did it), but I can't help but wonder what it's going to take for the average Joe and Jane Public to wake up. With all the different factions out there clamoring for public awareness, it's easy to get lost in the crowd, when our wishes are nothing more or less than the return to the ideas that made this nation a world power and a blueprint for freedom.

It is difficult to know where to go when any statement you make is immediately pounced on by those who want to turn this great nation into a nanny, and ultimately, police state. It's awfully easy to prepare for the black helicopter, UN-led takeover that was so feared in the mid and late '90s, but short of that, what are our options besides trying to educate people in ones and twos? It's difficult.

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That's the real issue to me, if you look at the number of kids dropping out of school.. well over 50% of minority kids, which of course are actually the majority, but that's another story..

The whole issue is sad, we have a RAPIDLY expanding lower class, shrinking middle class, the upper class will remain the same, but i wonder how long it will be before "wealth redistribution" goes to the street..

I don't want to do the "sky is falling" thing.. but i'm thinking its not as secure as it useta be..

K friends.. im gone till later, say hi to pard when he slides in later.. "slacker" ..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
2 years 19 weeks ago, 4:07 PM

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It's been going on for a while now (decades?). To answer one of Runs rhetorical questions from an earlier post, "What's it going to take". It's going to take actual real hard times. This "depression" we're in now isn't shit. People can still afford their wants (iPhones, HD TVs, computers, Blue Ray players, etc.) let alone their needs (water, food, shelter).

When it comes, and I believe it is, people are going to be struggling for the needs. That's when the lines get drawn. Peoples eyes will be opened and they will no longer ignore the 800 lbs gorilla nor put up with limp-wristed bleeding hearts wanting to take from them for "the greater good". When they have less to lose, then maybe liberty will be worth fighting for.

I like to believe I have a good compass for our (mankind's) future. And the direction we are in right now is unsustainable. It will lead to societal collapse and major upheaval of cataclysmic proportions. But the silver lining is, we will emerge from that stronger and better than before.

"I don't think Hank done it this way" - Waylon
2 years 19 weeks ago, 5:07 PM

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Throw in

Iran, Pakistan, Egypt.............
Monetary issues.
Yeah, I'm worried, real worried.
Runaway is right, the end of the "greatest generation" signals the beginning of the end.

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
2 years 18 weeks ago, 6:34 PM

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From yesterday

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/pearl-harbor-survivors-stand-attention-duri...

GOD Bless 'em!!
They done been to hell.

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
2 years 18 weeks ago, 2:54 PM

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Amen

The greatest generation

"I don't think Hank done it this way" - Waylon

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