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2 years 33 weeks ago, 5:58 PM

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I don't know how well this will work or how far it will go, it all depends on member input. I'm going to start by providing a very general scenario and I'd like members to post what their actions would be. After a day or two, I'll add on to the scenario and we can continue. If I haven't posted in a couple days, another member can keep the scenario going along with a couple guidelines. Everything needs to be relatively broad-based, no specific scenarios. The example I'll use to illustrate would be something along the lines of "A group of armed people approaches your house" rather than "Three guys run toward your front door and two move to the side window, each armed with a magazine-fed rifle". The only rule for those participating I have is that any equipment, weapon, provision, skill, etc.. that you use in the scenario has to be something you currently possess or know. If you don't have access to something, you can't use it. That will prevent people from going overboard like me saying I'd raid the consolidated post arms room where they have dozens of M110 SASS rifles with KAC supressors and Leupold MK 4 mil-dot scopes (Although they do. I saw them. It's a beautiful thing) The basic premise is to discuss trends in preparedness and to give other members ideas for things they may not have thought of or skills they'd like to learn. What you have or what you know is entirely on the honor system, if you say you'd bug in because you live in a 2.8 million dollar converted missile silo with 40 years' worth of Mountain House freeze dried food, an underground river of beer, and two of everything ever designed by John Browning, Eugene Stoner, John Garand, and Gaston Glock, then so be it. By the way, Garand is pronounced like gerrend with the emphasis on the first syllable, not like gurand the way most people do. I'm just saying.

Okay, I'll start off with broad, simple, and fairly common; You're sitting at home when all the lights go out.

Go.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
2 years 33 weeks ago, 6:26 PM

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"You're sitting at home when all the lights go out."

It's dark inside (obviously) so I make my way to the wooden blinds of the dining room window. A quick glance tells me the street light is still lit. Knowing that this street light is fed from the same transformer as my house along with neighbors north, and west of me indicates that the interruption of power is located on my side of the meter. I wait a few seconds to listen for any sounds of movement like the gate closing or opening on either side of the electric service entrance area.
A few steps and I'm in the bedroom at my nightstand. The 357 wheelgun and a flashlight are in hand and I instruct TBH to take the revolver as I go to another stash and retreive the 1911.
As she holds a position near the fireplace (center of dwelling exposed brick on all 4 sides) I move quietly to the back door, flashlight off, and slowly pull back the blind to observe the porch and area near the back gate of the utility area.

How am I doing so far?

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 7:28 PM

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Lights go out (edit)

First I pass out the Mag lights and fire up my two oil lanterns, then I take a peek out the window to see if the neighbors lights are out as well, do a little recon to see if anything is 'odd' about the neighborhood from my perspective and if not I place a call to the power company to check for problems and report an outage (via cell phone).

Keep in mind, I am armed, on my person from the time I get dressed in the morning until the time I go to bed at night, so no sense in running for the AR15's just yet.

If neighbors power seems to be fine then there is reasonable cause for suspicion so the first step is to lock the doors and investigate the possibility that the line has been cut. First I clear the yard (I have a small yard surrounded by an 8' chain link fence) then check the integrity of the power meter, cables etc.

Of course if I see three armed men coming down the street then it's 'take a rifle kid's and head for the basement' and take appropriate action as developments play out.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 6:45 PM

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Hamp's on it, Vaquero

is getting a bit ahead. I'll update the scenario as we go. That's right, I'LL TELL YOU IF THE STREET LIGHTS ARE ON, MAGGOT!!! Okay, that's out of the way. For purposes of clarification, I will add to the scenario and say the power outage goes as far as you can see from your house.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
2 years 33 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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I start wacking it. I don't get the chance very much, since the wife is always around. Plus the danger of being quiet arouses me. :D

OK, sorry. I'll be serious. The power is out. I get my closest pistol and flashlight. BTW, I have the battery powered emergency lights around my house.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 6:52 PM

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sorry (edit)

the lineman, troubleshooter in me just took over.

Should I excuse myself from the "lights out" part or play it by ear and yall find out what a guy with 30+ years of electric utility experience would do?
Seriously, I don't want to fuck it up for yall.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 7:16 PM

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Vaq, my power comes

in underground, so if the BG is gonna shut me off he has about three feet in which to do it, within my yard (unless he is already in the house)...lol

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 7:20 PM

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Mine too

and quite honestly you have to make some noise just to get the disconnect cabinet open.
I do like runs wargame idea cuz I'll likely learn a lot here. I could go on forever about outages and causes but I'd probably bore the hell out of yall.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 6:48 PM

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here, not sure what drill Sargent Marlow expects......SIR!

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 6:52 PM

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Nobody's evaluating responses, it's more of a community think tank sorta thing. I'll give my actions to the scenarios as we go, and feedback from other members to my response and other responses is a good thing, so long as the feedback is constructive or has other realistic suggestions. For instance, my feedback for hamp would be when was the last time you checked batteries for the maglites?

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
2 years 33 weeks ago, 7:03 PM

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Maglites

they are 3 D cell and I rotate the four of them through mechanics use in the garage so the batt's don't get old and leak all over the place. My oil supply is one gallon (two 1/2 gallons) and those wicks last for years.
Lights out in the whole neighborhood (per se) I would treat it as a normal power failure situation as stated above.
As an aside, nobody that I know feels comfortable in a blackout situation, so awareness is bound to be high.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 7:25 PM

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Vaquero

Absolutely join in on this. If, in the course of your response, a member learns something he didn't already know about troubleshooting electric lines, then we're doing it right. I can say personally that because of my truck over the last few days, I've finally memorized which cable comes off the battery first, so I'm not exactly Mr Wizard when it comes to shit that shocks you.

Fuck my truck, and pass the arabian quadricep with Velveeta.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 7:36 PM

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Lights are out

in the whole neighborhood. OK, I'm not singled out. A short trip to the back yard and listen for sirens.
Hey Sarge! Do I hear any sirens?

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 8:11 PM

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No sirens...yet

I'll give it a bit longer to allow other members to join in before getting too much further along. I will also likely start all over with a different scenario along the way so it maintains relevance for all involved. For instance, given a particular scenario, some members may elect to bug in while others will head for the hills sooner, so I want to keep everyone thinking about solutions rather than start arguing about the merits of bunkering down versus going on a shooting spree.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
2 years 33 weeks ago, 8:21 PM

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When my power goes out around here, I don't automatically start filling the bathtub with water and setting out magazines next to all the windows.

I carry a Surefire E2E in my pocket everywhere I go, and my uniform is usually laid out on the couch for the next morning, so I'd grab the flashlight and secure the two battery-powered lanterns from downstairs (The batteries in one were dead when I tried to turn it on this evening, which prompted me to think about this). I have spare batteries ranging from Aimpoint batteries to CR123 and D cell batteries in one of those small drawer sets with the clear plastic drawers we use for screws and other loose items, so I'll change batteries in the one lantern. After those both work, I'll turn it into a camping trip in the living room with my boy and probably head to bed earlier than usual.

In all honesty, the scenario I have right now wouldn't alter my actions much at all, because my alarm clock has a battery backup so I'm not worried about being late for work.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
2 years 33 weeks ago, 9:07 PM

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My home is a three level, 1st is basement (somewhat safe, unless the shooter is firing through the floor from above), anything above grade is deadly, stucco and plywood, shit a .223 round would likely find it's way clear through my house. Something to think about on the defence.

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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light goes out

just happened to me not that long ago,out came the candles,the kids got squirrely,my 16yr old stepson got hypergoofy,covering up for some fear/excitement over the situation,my 13yr old stepdaughter plopped on the couch and starred into her ipod screen,which didn't work because the power was off all over,killed the internet wireless connection.My wife sat around with the kids talking and i gathered flashlights,gave one to each person,kept my streamlight scorpion flashlight and my G26 on me,my wife knows where the .38 is waiting fully loaded should she need it.
I first made sure the house was secure,that the power was neighborhood wide,told the kids not to flush the toilet unless they took a dump(which they promptly foregot,wtf?).And told everybody to keep the refrigerater closed.We went to bed,i slept for an hour or so,then jumped in the car to see how wide spread the power outage was.Across our little township i saw a powerline crew truck,seems some drunk drove off the road and took out a power line pole,i went back home,went to sleep.power came back on about 4 hours later.

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
2 years 33 weeks ago, 11:10 PM

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It's a fair bet that as we go, I'm going to develop the scenario to become gradually more desperate, so I understand why people immediately started discussing which guns they have on standby, but the majority of the time when the power goes out, we may get a little apprehensive, but ultimately we assume it'll come back on in a few hours.

I'll give it until tomorrow morning after I come in from deer hunting and I'll advance the scenario along a bit

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 1:20 AM

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not here necessarily, just saying it's a good idea..

we lose power on a regular basis so this is not going to cause me to do a S.A. "color condition" change.. proud of pard checking to see the extent..

The problem in our area is what neighbors we have all have generators.. i don't because.. yeah uh.. well i guess i don't because.. hmm..

Lets get to it.. i can tell you that we go thru this a lot.. probably complacent to an invasion because of same, but we do have the maglite drill down as good as anyone..

A total of 6 D cell maglite.. love them, have had them forever, and take care of them.. Gloria is actually the one who keeps a good stock of D's on hand.. all i have to do is rotate them.. neat thing about maglite is the extra light bulb in the end cap so a regular spray with wd40 and they are forever.. we have 2 3cells, and 3 2cells.. the 3 cells are on either side of the bed the 2 cells are at both front and back door, and the front bath.. #6 is in the duramax its a 4 cell i carried at work till banned

I've mentioned before that both doors have guns stashed close, obviously thats where the maglights are as well..

tactics are pretty simple.. we yell at each other.. i HATE being silhouetted.. the first thing my baby does is pick up a "torch" (doing that anglophile thing) and hit me in the eyes with it.. yelling starts about then.. when i get my vision back i peek outside.. only to have the flashlight go on again.. this happens all the time.. i say the same thing.. "i can't see, and im being highlighted".. to which i receive.. "If you have a flashlight why don't you use it".. Thinking the BG's would be out side just laughing thier heads off...

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 6:03 PM

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I'll play

I probably wouldn't do much. I'd probably light a few candles, then go online (battery powered laptop on a battery powered wi fi hotspot) and look for news updates and causes for the power failure. Of course I have tons of handheld lights and lots of other preparations, but wouldn't do anything out of the ordinary at this point.

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