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2 years 26 weeks ago, 11:19 AM

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I would like to use objective reasoning to help separate the wheat from the chaff. What is needed is to identify the criteria for which to judge what is the best handgun. Once the criteria are set, then a handgun can be gauged by each one. The highest score should therefore be the best. In reality, this will solve nothing but to make for some good debate. Even the lowest scoring gun will have someone that thinks it is the greatest thing sense gun met powder. Someone asked me what the best all around gun was and the best I could do was say it depends.

I was thinking that the criteria should be rate on a 1 to 10 scale with 10 being the best. I can think of several, but probably have overlooked some.

Reliability - 10 being that it never fails to fire for any reason
out of the box usability - 10 being that nothing has to be done after purchase. I.E. trigger job
accuracy - 10 being that it is inherently accurate out of the box
durability - 10 being expected longevity
weight - 10 being the lightest
required maintenance - 10 being least required
ease of maintenance - 10 being the easiest to perform required maintenance
Grip - 10 being the most ergonomically designed
trigger weight - 10 being the lightest
trigger pull - 10 being the shortest
external safety - 10 being ergonomically designed for ease of use
capacity - 10 being for the most rounds held, however certain mags may cause a reduction for weight, ability to conceal, and functionality.
sights - 10 being for out of box accuracy or adjustable sights
concealable - 10 being for ease of concealment
ammo - 10 being that it will shoot whatever whenever
ability to accessorize - 10 being able to add whatever whenever.

2 years 26 weeks ago, 6:31 PM

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or what is the best gun for me? Some people might shoot expert with
a 22 or 380 and cant hit a barn with a 45. Makes no difference what you
have if you cant shoot it accurately its no good.
Thats my 2 cents

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2 years 26 weeks ago, 9:09 PM

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I was talking to a friend who asked me what the best gun to get. I told him that it depends on a lot of things. I started to talk about what I liked and he said that wasn't what he asked. He is a numbers and stats guy. So can a gun be boiled down to a objective score. A top ten if you will. Plus, its fun to see people get all twisted and bent out of shape because their horse didn't win. I've seen plenty of top ten lists, but they are subjective. We rate sports teams based on performance, why can't we do that here. How many times does someone ask if a gun is any good. If the gun was evaluated and had a score, then we could say it scored here as compared to this other one. Maybe no one will care, or maybe this could be fun. Or we could talk about proper shot placement for zombies.

2 years 26 weeks ago, 9:17 PM

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There are too many variables to quantify a clear cut winner

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2 years 26 weeks ago, 9:31 PM

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So you can't judge on 1 to 10 on a gun's reliability. I didn't say it would be easy. If fighter jets can be rated, why not handguns. Are all 1911s made equal, or are some better than others. If so, what makes them better. There was a reason I bought a Springfield armory over a rock island. Was it based on fact or belief. If it was belief, then I wasted money.

2 years 26 weeks ago, 9:52 PM

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Are you only going to accept a "rating" from someone that owns that gun? Is there going to be a "minimum" number of rounds put thru the gun in order for the rating to be accepted. We all love our guns and are going to give them "10's". i went to an indoor range a few years ago with my Sig P229 and shot a few hundred rounds. I used the reloads there at the range because I had just bought the gun and was very anxious to shoot it. I had stoppage after stoppage that day, and was pretty disgusted. I have not been back to that range, and especially have not purchased any of their reloads. You know what? My Sig has not had a stoppage since! In my opinion (which is all it is) Sig Sauer is one of the finest guns made. Have you ever been to a website called KABOOM?

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2 years 26 weeks ago, 9:59 PM

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Lets try it and see what happens!! I'm not saying don't give it a try.

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2 years 26 weeks ago, 10:26 PM

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gun stores stock so many different makes and models. You can read the gun reviews and learn the authors personal preferences, read what the people on GS tell you that Browning invented 1911s but God created Glocks. When you ask a question that sounds like "what's the best gun..." be prepared for an avalanche of B.S. and it's not worth a teaspoon of lizard shit because it's personal opinions that do not take into consideration what fits YOU.
Best to set your own criteria based on stats like reliability and accuracy but
If the military and police departments buy one particular gun it must be good, huh?
Enough of my bloviating for one night.
See ya later

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2 years 26 weeks ago, 9:04 AM

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Take a look at a car and driver and see how they score a car in those comparisons. That what I'm talking about. Yes, there will be B.S. As I said before, there will be someone who likes a gun that scores low. Look, we here are all gun lovers right. We like to talk about guns right. There may be some dispute on how to judge, is that not what a forum is there for? If you look back at the "1st gun" thread 2 ideas were put forward. Go shoot both and decide for himself. Not all that helpful, he needed feedback. The other idea was to get the glock and gain skill. Learn how to shoot then get the 1911. Why did so many 1911 lovers suggest the glock?

Here's kinda what I'm talking about.
The glock 21 has had 0 failure to fire or eject. score 10
The SA loaded had 2 failure to fire or eject. score 8
The Beretta 92sf had 1 failure to fire or eject. score 9
The Walther PPK had 0 failure to fire or eject. score 10

Now people are going to ask how many shots were fired. Was it the ammo used or the mags. Take the number of rounds fired and divide into the number of failures, 2 failures divided by 100 shots fired is 2%. To be of value, this will take time and thought.

2 years 26 weeks ago, 6:10 PM

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That's unusual in the gun world. Knowing the herd mentallity; "If it's expensive and somebody I admire likes it then it's the best ever." an interesting study is rare.
If you do an indepth study to determine what ranks #1 my hat is off to you sir and I look forward to seeing it
Yup, I enjoy shooting my $108 SNS more than my somewhat costly Sig. :<)

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2 years 26 weeks ago, 7:19 PM

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Thank you for seeing the point. Just because the cool guys like it doesn't mean it's any good or that I would like it. I can do my personal guns and those of close family and friends. That still leaves a shit load not evaluated. I just think it would add to the reviews that other people do. When I read a gun review, I often think that's great but is it any good. People are to afraid that others will get upset that someone else didn't like their favorite gun. The whole I'm ok and your ok, so everyone is a winner mentality may work for soccer moms and the lib's, but I'm not that down with it. I like to win and I don't follow the crowd. I would like to know if a kimber and les bear is worth the premium over a rock island. Or indeed how a glock, XD, or any other poly gun stacks up against each other and the 1911. Personal opinions and preferences are just fine, but I can't afford to buy or even shoot everything to make the comparisons. When I have the extra money to buy my next gun, it would be nice if I had something of more substance then so and so liked it. It would also help those who are not well versed in guns to make an informed decision.

2 years 25 weeks ago, 8:42 AM

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A few suggestions

Smith or ruger double action revolvers, or Glock, or other name brand poly auto's. Hard to go wrong with any of these. The glocks are so simple and effective, just pick a size. I have a gen 1 17 from 1986 that I bought new, they got the design right from the start. A glock 19 seems to be the perfect size and caliber. I have not owned a 1911 type and not likely to, the cocked and locked thing scares me. (my bad) And don't discount the revolver, perfect for home defense, simple and reliable.

2 years 25 weeks ago, 9:43 AM

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Welcome to the site. The 1911 just takes some getting use to. There are some who are just as scared of the glock. I have both and have learned how to use each. You will find that most people are not very objective on the glock vs. 1911 vs. fill in the blank. I'm working on a way to rate each gun against an objective measure. I like the simplicity of the glock as well. To me its like the difference between an automatic transmission and a stick shift. The stick is more fun to drive, but will drive you nuts in city stop and go traffic. The 1911 can be a finicky gun to use. However, if you get it right it is a great gun. Mine has most of the bugs worked out. The cocked and locked is not that scary once you practice it. I would also say that the lack of an external safety on the glock can be scary to those who are use to the cocked and locked carry. You just have to practice, practice, and practice more.

2 years 24 weeks ago, 6:12 PM

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I have shot a couple of colt .45's, and a old remington rand .45, they were ok, and I can see the appeal. They are machined nicely, kind of the allure I feel for older revolvers. I have been with the Glock system for 25 years and know it well, feel totaly comfortable with the trigger, yes it is all about practice with the piece of choice. I will say this though, for someone who wants a gun to be right out of the box, for an auto the glock is hard to beat. Have a good one!

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