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7 years 12 weeks ago, 6:17 AM

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You must understand that the treaty of Huddaibiya is not some isolated event in history. Because Mohammed, the messenger of G-D, did what he did, the PRINCIPLES of what he did became Islamic law. It is a blueprint for conducting agreements with all infidels, most especially those upon whom you are planning to make war. Such agreements are [covertly] considered never permanent, despite any agreed upon durations, and never to be conducted for more than ten years, unless there is religious dispensation for up to ten more years. Does this ring any bells, for example, concerning Yasser Arafat's stonewalling behavior, over many years and many new agreements[each of which started a new ten year period, under Islamic law].
Just as important, Huddibyya teaches all true believers, that in dealings with the infidel, there can be no ethics, honor or feelings of obligation. Lieing, cheating, misinformation, disinformation, treachery, and the like are to be used in ultimately defeating the infidels, and establishing world domination.
Remember that we infidels are considered by Islam as less than human, and that is the rationalization that makes the principles of Huddaibyya proper and correct.
There are not a lot of known examples of the application of Huddaibiyya, but you will remember some. Remember the great, fierce muslim warrior, Saladin, who captured Jerusalem 12th century, BC. This was the start of the third crusade, which resulted in Saladin suffering serious losses. Thus, he followed the lead of Mohammed, and concluded a treaty with the Crusader forces, gained strength and then drove them out of the "holy land"
Fast forward to Yasser Arafat. If you did not know about Huddaibya, you would not understand his behavior--Keep smiling--keep stonewalling --until we get strong enough to destroy Israel. Look at the many agreements that somehow got broken, until the Israelis found out about--you guessed it---Huddaibiya. How did they find out? The Mossad was in the habit of recording every speech, every text of his addresses to the faithful, and especially when he preached in the mosques. He kept refering to Huddaibya in the context of HOW HE regarded ANY agreements he made with the infidels, so that his militant critics like Hamas and Hizbolla would understand his behavior. Arafat used the name of Huddibya as a code-word that he thought would never be understood by the infidels. He also used another code-word phrase, which meant the same thing: "We offer the peace of Saladin"--Any ideas what that meant??
You may remember that there was a time when Israeli forebearance against the PLO and Arafat himself, hardened dramatically: Heavy incursion raids with armor, blasting the PLO infrastructure and even Arafat's HQ. You can now guess when that occurred, and why. The Israelis privately let Arafat know, what they just discovered, and unless there was some real progress, it would not be good. Arafat did not believe it, but the jig was up.
We can probably point to a more recent example of the same kind of behavior, from Pervez Musharraf, former President of Pakistan, who made a formal agreement with us to fight the Taliban. All we ever got was stonewalling and excuses, and many believed that he was a closet Islamist, covertly allied with the Taliban and al Qaida, secretly supporting them and providing cover on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
Why is all of this important in the great scheme of worldly things?
Stay tuned for Part 5

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7 years 12 weeks ago, 7:52 AM

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LLE Great insight

I have felt this, but never knew why. Now I am becoming learned. Keep up the good work and I can't wait for the rest of the story....

7 years 12 weeks ago, 8:03 AM

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The last part will be mostly my own opinions, from observations of activities among the true believers, and their friends.

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7 years 12 weeks ago, 7:59 AM

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Captured jerusalem, 12th century CE.

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7 years 12 weeks ago, 8:12 AM

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while I'm waiting for part 5 . I must say that the U.S., hasn't done a very good Strategic Deception job as it pertains to the mideast. If we have they aren't evident. I have my own thoughts on the neutralization of terrorist activities but we would have to rub some "atoms", together.

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7 years 12 weeks ago, 3:39 AM

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strategic deception as it pertains to the middle east. IMO, there has been too much pussyfooting on our part at least regarding the "Palistinians", the Syrians, the Iranians, and the stateless terror organizations like al Quaida, Hamas and Hizbolla. Rather than try to deceive them at this point, they should be getting private, clear messages about our resolve. [For an example of what I mean, see my posting on "What Ronald Reagan would have said to Kim Yung-Il"]. Lack of resolve or candor on our part [Obama calls this "soft power", and I call it appeasement] is the most dangerous methodology we could employ at this point, IMO. As I said before [see posting], in the long run, it will get us precisely what we got from Neville Chamberlain's
"Peace in our time" in the late 1930's, trying to appease Hitler. What we got was WW II.

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7 years 12 weeks ago, 7:07 AM

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that I have enjoyed and "learned" from this whole line of post..thanks

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7 years 12 weeks ago, 8:45 AM

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provide some educational material that perhaps was not generally known, and to offer one person's take on it. I am glad you learned from it, and I hope others did too.

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6 years 15 weeks ago, 1:37 PM

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ivantank wrote:
that I have enjoyed and "learned" from this whole line of post..thanks

just went back and re-read the whole post and I shake my head in wonder...THIS IS MUST READING for everyone...thanks again LLE.....BTW its post like this that makes it imperative that we can go off topic on this site...IMHO

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6 years 15 weeks ago, 2:51 AM

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Lately, I have been very disappointed at Prime Minister Netanyahu's behavior. Rather than the straight talking Hawk he has always been, he has sounded like a pusseyfooter, accepting threats from Obama, without any rejoinders [ not even something mild, like,"why don't you go do an unnatural sex act with Elena Kagan?"]. And he seems unusually concilliatory toward the Palistinians.
THEN it dawned on me---I think he is shooting everyone with an open can full of Huddibya, and I think the Israelis are preparing a nice, big surprise for everyone, especially the Iranians.
Pretty clever to shoot the Islamists with their "own gun"................

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7 years 12 weeks ago, 7:45 AM

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You speak of deception as negotiation; that is not "Strategic deception".
Deception is not pussyfooting around and it can take years if properly accomplished. As your article aptly described.

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7 years 12 weeks ago, 8:29 AM

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You are correct in saying the U.S. needs to be sending clear messages. We should have done that for years. If we list State run terrorists organizations then we should be eradicating them. Just like we step on a fucking bug. I believe the time for talk ended many years ago. We are now in a scenario of endless circular negotiation and have been. The Bush Administration had the opportunity but, our leadership (probably influenced
by the homosexuals running around the State Department)failed to reach for the Golden Ring on the carousel. Now, we endure an administration so consumed to moving our nation to socialism or (?) that they have neither the time nor do we now have the largess to do what is needed. At this point in time our options are moot. We can only react and watch other nations do as they may. In other words, the future looks GRIM. That's my opinion.

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