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And also see below what the freedom stealing, gun grabbers don't want you to know... It's Not Guns. They know it. Here is the hidden, RIGHT Target.

Whenever you are trying to correct a bad statistic, you must analyze ALL of the factors that may be causing the unacceptable problem you are trying to correct. There may be several factors, but ONE, is the RIGHT TARGET to attack which will cause an immediate correction of the problem.

Find the RIGHT Target, attack it, and the bad statistic immediately and positively responds.

Attack the wrong target and the bad situation will not improve, and in many cases gets worse.

In analyzing statistics of mass shootings, there are several factors (targets) that have been talked about as the cause of the shootings, including access to guns, lack of proper mental health care, violence in movies, television, and video games.

The danger in lumping all of these factors into the "cause" of mass shootings is that it appeases the public and tricks them into thinking "something has been done" but it hides the RIGHT target and mass shootings not only do not stop, they become more frequent and deadlier.

Isn't that EXACTLY what we have seen over the last 40 years? We have picked the wrong target, because had we selected the right target and attacked it 40 years ago, mass shootings would have stopped. But they have not stopped, they have become more frequent and more deadly.

So what have we targeted as a society to try to stop these mass murders that have clearly been the wrong target?

Guns are the wrong target.

Why?

Because prior to these shootings, there were just as many guns per capita and there was unrestricted access to semiautomatic weapons, even for young adults and kids. But even more evidence that guns are the wrong target is the undeniable fact that in towns, cities, schools, and shopping malls, where guns have been severely restricted and in some cases outright banned, the statistic of murder, HAS NOT DROPPED, IT HAS INCREASED!

Even greater evidence that proves guns are the wrong target is found in towns, cities, schools and shopping malls where law abiding, responsible citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons. In those areas where guns are the least restricted we see the statistic of murder and violent crime HAS DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY.

So if the RIGHT TARGET IS NOT GUNS, what is the right target?

Well, let's first look at the other targets being offered up... Violence in TV, Movies and Video Games.

If you are old enough to remember when America did not have kids walking into schools and killing their classmates with guns, then you remember when you could walk to school with your .22 rifle because you were on the school's rifle team, and prop your rifle up against the cabinet in the back of your classroom. You also likely remember the TV shows and movies you watched as a kid, as well as the games you played with all the other kids...

You watched westerns and war movies that had lots of killing in them. You played Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians.

Remember those games? If you had the money, you had toy cap guns to use and if you didn't have the money you made toy weapons out of sticks or whatever you could fashion to look like a Tommy Gun or lever action rifle or bow and arrow. And yes, you killed the bad guy every chance you could get. And yes, every now and then someone you shot said you didn't shoot him and it might lead to an argument, a wrestling match or a few punches thrown to settle it. BUT YOU NEVER, EVER THOUGHT OF GRABBING THE REAL GUN that was unlocked and readily accessible in your closet at home, and taking it to school to shoot your classmates.

The TV, movie industry, and video game industry has placed warning labels and age restrictions on violent shows and games, but it has not made a difference in mass shootings. WHY? Because such restrictions, were the WRONG TARGET!

Had that step of restricting violent media been the right target, we would have seen a positive change, a decrease in mass shootings, and we have not.

WHY have we NOT seen a change in mass shootings after restricting violent media from our youth? Because kids and young adults KNOW THE DIFFERENCE between a violent TV show, movie or video game and real life, just as you and I did 40 or more years ago when we played, Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, and GI Joe.

So that leaves improving mental health care as the only remaining target that has been talked about as a solution to stop mass shootings. Believe it or not, lawmakers are suggesting the cause of these mass shootings is the inability of the State to involuntarily commit people who show signs of mental illness!

Do you see the inherent insanity in such a target? With a government already gone wild in stripping freedoms and privacy after 9/11, now there are actually lawmakers talking about increasing the power of the government to involuntarily commit (that means against your will) citizens to a mental institution! Remember the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

These are the same lawmakers who champion gun control laws and banning violent media content as the solution to stop mass shootings. They say that due to lack of funding, we have released so many "crazy" people from mental institution into the streets, which has caused the increase in mass shootings.

Really? How many mass shooters have been homeless, mental derelicts who lacked a psychiatrist treating them and prescribing them medication? NOT ONE.

So if the RIGHT TARGET to stop mass shootings is NOT GUNS, and it is NOT VIOLENT MEDIA, and it is NOT MORE MENTAL HEALTH CARE, then WHAT IS IT?

To find the RIGHT TARGET look to see what CHANGES took place in society when mass shootings first began and what has increased in society directly and proportionally to the increase in mass shootings, even during the same time when strong actions and restrictions against guns and violent media were being implemented to stop the mass shootings.

The answer, the common denominator, the RIGHT TARGET in the ever increasing number of mass shootings was and continued to be the creation of strong, mind altering, psychiatric drugs by the pharmaceutical companies and their systematic pushing of these drugs to our children and youth through our public school system. These drugs create the monsters who are killing their parents, teachers and schoolmates.

I recognized psych drugs being pushed on our youth as the right target after the Columbine shootings. I stated it then and I have stated it after every mass shooting since and guess what, EVERY SHOOTER has been under psychiatric care, taking these powerful, mind altering drugs that are scientifically proven to create homicidal and suicidal urges in those being prescribed these drugs!

It is the RIGHT TARGET. Ban the prescription and distribution of these strong, mind altering drugs and as a society we will not have drug induced assassins killing innocent people.

Of course to do so, would take multi-billions of dollars in ridiculous profits from the pharmaceutical companies who through their relentless "lobbying" in Washington, DC have managed to not only stay in business when all evidence points at their product as the root cause of these mass shootings, they also convinced Congress years ago to pass legislation allowing the blatant advertising of antidepressant drugs on TV, radio, Internet, newspapers and magazines.

Now you understand one of the reasons why members of Congress, who receive huge political contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, avoid attacking the RIGHT TARGET, psych drugs, and continue to point fingers at the wrong target... your guns.

If we truly want to stop mass shootings, we have to ban the prescription and distribution of these strong, mind altering drugs and as a society we will not have drug induced assassins killing innocent people. At the same time, we must strengthen those aspects of society that have statistically provided a positive reduction in violent crime. Namely, allow the law abiding responsible citizenry to carry concealed weapons to protect against mass shootings.

New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles... the big cities, with the strictest gun control have the highest murder and violent crime rates. Allow law abiding, responsible citizen to be trained to carry a concealed weapon and those same cities with the highest murder and crime rates will see an immediate and permanent reduction in violent crime and murder as all the other towns and cities across America have seen when they allowed their citizens to carry concealed weapons.

I have been preaching this for years. Direct our lawmakers to the RIGHT TARGET. IT'S NOT GUNS!

Others are now seeing it too. Help spread the word.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/is-it-time-to-call-for-hammer-control/?cat_or...

www.thepetitionsite.com/967/364/876/demand-federal-investigation-into-ps...

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/psychiatrists-drugging-chil...

http://www.examiner.com/article/psych-drugs-not-guns-doing-the-killing-s...

http://www.breggin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=286

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE

http://www.frontsight.com/gun-training-reports.asp

And never forget what gun control is REALLY about. It is not about controlling guns, it is about controlling people.

Lawmakers who want to disarm you really want to control you. History is full of governments who first registered guns, then confiscated guns, then rounded up and systematically killed those who the government deemed were trouble makers...

170 million of them!

Don't think it could not happen here. Look at the freedom and liberties we have lost since 9/11. Sandy Hook Elementary is just another scapegoat to take another step at controlling the American people.

After every mass shooting, we hear the unenlightened politicians and knee-jerk liberals wailing, "If we can save just ONE life by getting guns off the street, then it is worth passing stricter gun control..."

Well, the next time you hear that from anybody, I want you to respond with: "Over 170 million people would disagree with you... if they could. You can't talk with them, because they are dead! They were killed by their own governments after strict gun control disarmed them."

Then I want you to hand them a copy of Innocents Betrayed, an award-winning documentary DVD that I co-produced with Aaron Zelman and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO).

You have probably seen the e-mails that float around the Internet that look like this:

WORLDWIDE HISTORY OF GUN CONFISCATION

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Well, I co-produced Innocents Betrayed because it dramatically and irrefutably documents the direct connections between government gun control schemes and the subsequent genocides that have taken the lives of over 170 million people!

This is a must-see DVD because it contains documented, proven facts of history that even the most ardent gun control advocate cannot deny.

Watch a short trailer of this riveting and educational film. Then order your own copies to share with your family, friends and co-workers. All proceeds go directly to JPFO and assist in their efforts to educate Americans and expose the fallacy of gun control.

I personally put my money where my mouth is to co-produce the DVD because the message is so important to the future of our country and our offspring. The dangers of gun control are real. Innocents Betrayed exposes them in such an undeniable manner in this DVD that you simply must have it in any well-stocked information arsenal for sharing with anyone who thinks otherwise.

Sincerely,

Ignatius Piazza
Founder and Director
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute
7975 Cameron Drive, #900
Windsor, CA 95492
http://www.frontsight.com
info@frontsight.com
1.800.987.7719

1 year 27 weeks ago, 2:11 PM

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I'm surprised that there aren't any comments on this...

1 year 27 weeks ago, 2:46 PM

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These guys want tits. Kinda sad.

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1 year 27 weeks ago, 3:37 PM

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I guess. So, even the women of this site want titty pictures.... ;)

1 year 27 weeks ago, 4:38 PM

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Interesting reading and interesting view. To add to the problem, now we have babies being born, already addicted to these from their mothers womb.

1 year 27 weeks ago, 6:33 PM

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Your logic is similar to the pre-prohibition proponenets. If drugs are the "right target", why not give us the study/statistic results on what you appear to claim is the root cause of the crimes you described.

I have stated earlier on this site, we have continually failed with repetitive forays into "fixes" that have not worked. I quoted Einstein's non-medical, non-psychiatric definition of "insanity" to illustrate that we have been fixated at the level of trying the same things, over and over and over ad nauseum, and "expecting a different result".

Your "perfect target" is a perfect example of good old US American :"Ready, Fire, Aim".

When one is serious about problem solving, one does not commit an ND by suggesting the fix, BEFORE developing a pure "problem statement"--that is, a statement of the problem WITHOUT any implied causation.

What is your statement of the "problem"?

..... a challenge presented by a graduate of Front Sight.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
1 year 27 weeks ago, 8:34 PM

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LLE wrote:
Your logic is similar to the pre-prohibition proponenets. If drugs are the "right target", why not give us the study/statistic results on what you appear to claim is the root cause of the crimes you described.

I have stated earlier on this site, we have continually failed with repetitive forays into "fixes" that have not worked. I quoted Einstein's non-medical, non-psychiatric definition of "insanity" to illustrate that we have been fixated at the level of trying the same things, over and over and over ad nauseum, and "expecting a different result".

Your "perfect target" is a perfect example of good old US American :"Ready, Fire, Aim".

When one is serious about problem solving, one does not commit an ND by suggesting the fix, BEFORE developing a pure "problem statement"--that is, a statement of the problem WITHOUT any implied causation.

What is your statement of the "problem"?

..... a challenge presented by a graduate of Front Sight.

You attended Front Sight, what did you think of it? How were the classes?

1 year 27 weeks ago, 10:29 AM

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I did a 2 part review of the experience, and you can read it by going into LLE's postings.
The titles are "The Front Sight Experience" Parts I and II".

I have talked with several subsequent attendees, who each were very pleased with the courses they took, but they all completed Defensive Handgun courses, as did my wife and I. I mention that because FS offers courses in Rifle, Shotgun, and I believe [still] in some version of auto-CQC weapon, and I have never talked with anyone who completed any of those.

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1 year 27 weeks ago, 8:48 AM

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Perhaps like so many

Perhaps like so many politicians, skewed against guns that is, Dr. Piazza was relying upon Anecdotal evidence as opposed to hardcore statistical evidence. One thought here though..most of the mass shootings have been committed by people who were diagnosed to be mentally unstable. Also, unless someone actually picks up a pistol, revolver, shotgun or rifle and loads them aims, pulls the trigger - then firearms in and of themselves are nothing more than ornate and expensive paper weights. Also, Anecdotal evidence tghat I had at one time based on statistical evidence - can't site the source at the moment - if you look at cities and states that have the most restrictions on guns they in fact have the most violence involving guns. Example; Chicago Illinois-for 2012 there were 500 homicides, a new record for Chicago. Also, just recently the Illinolis Supreme Court has ruled that the Illinois and Chicago gun bans are in fact unconstitutional and they've given the the State of illinois 184 days to respond. I hear they plan on coming up with new rules and regulations pertaining to licensure for citizens to own and carry firearms. Well, that's the end of my ramblings for now.

1 year 27 weeks ago, 10:44 AM

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Hawkeye - my take

I think most (if not all) of the people on this site know that gun control isn't about guns, it's about control. The real question is, how to spread it to the non-believers.

But my approach is very simplistic, very black and white. And, I believe, correctly so. The bottom line, rubber-meets-the-road, view on gun rights in the United States of America:

This republic was founded on freedom and liberty. With that are costs. The cost of the blood of patriots is the highest and most recognized cost. But, some others costs are:

allowing persons their opinions, even those you despise
the difficulty in bringing criminals to justice. (better 1000 guilty go free...)
the lack of guarantee in financial security (potentially, although experience shows freedom begets prosperity)
the lack of personal security (potentially, although (again) experience shows free men allowed to defend themselves win their own security)

It seems this is what many (if not most) Americans do not get anymore. All the gun control "debate" is moot. The bottom line is: we are a free republic. It is not within us, the citizenry, to choose to give up our freedom. It was bought at costs to great for us to afford to give away.

If you'd rather have security over freedom, leave. There are many other nations that will allow you to be their subject.

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1 year 27 weeks ago, 2:55 PM

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thought provoking.

thought provoking.

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