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2 years 50 weeks ago, 1:44 PM

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What is your thoughts?

Been awhile since I have been around, and wated to swing by and see what the guys here at Gunslot thought of this situation.
The city of Spokane is about 50 miles south of where I live. This place has really turned into a mess as of late with violent crimes of all sorts. I conceal carry every where I go, and when I go to this city I am extra vigulant with the people around.
So last night I am on Facebook and a good friend of mine says her husband was just at a grocery store that just was robbed. I got ahold of her and she said everything was okay. I told her I can't believe a conceal carry citizen has not layed on of these scum down for a dirt nap. I mentioned to her that I carry every where and that things would have went a little different.
Her husband replied back that he was carrying and said that he didn't have an opportuniy to pull his pistol, but he did have time to call 911 on his cell phone.He also said why should he interfear with some "meth head" getting his next fix. The perpitrator had time enough to go to three seprate checkout lines before finally leaving, and they still have not caught him.
I replied back to him this morning that I thought that he had ample time to pull his pistol and that he could have at least stopped the guy and kept him there till the leo's showed up. The guy was armed with a hunting knife for god sake, and I just don't see how you could stand back and let three women have a knife held at them and not do anything. I also told him what if this assholes next victims are not so lucky to walk away.
Me personally I could not have walked away with my head held high knowing I could have done something more. So what is your guys stance on this senerio?

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 2:00 PM

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My take

There should have been one less asshole in the world. Dead men don't break the law.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 6:20 PM

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Plain and simple...

If he had time to pull out his phone and dial, he had more than enough time to pull his pistol. I feel that he should not be carrying, in my opinion he has shown an inability to finish through with the end game. How long till his pistol is in the hands of someone who will us it? I would have put 2 into the robbers chest and called it a day. This isn't bravado or an over inflated ego. I have had to kill, and know the morale issues involved. However, if a person isn't prepared to use a gun in defense, why even carry it and risk it being taken from you? I have seen soldiers that couldn't make themselves pull the trigger, even when fired on. This isn't a character flaw in my opinion, the guy just isn't wired to do it.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 2:45 AM

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Dunno wasn't there..

Situational awareness is key to making such a decision as to pull your weapon in a public place in close quarters like you will find in the check out line at a Grocery Store.

I don't know his skill set at all so I can't even begin to guess if he should have done more.

Personally, if it had been me I would have had to consider the people around me, what was around him and behind him, could I get a clean shot and was my intervention really needed at that moment?

Dealing with "Meth Heads" is not something Police look forward too, let alone someone un trained in thinking in deeply stressful situations and making correct choices.

If there was real threat of him killing someone, then yeah I would have drawn and shot him where I could get a clean shot without compunction. It wouldn't have bothered me one bit other than being really pissed off at him for causing it.

Don't forget, he dealt with the situation how he chose to because there was not a direct threat to his own life. That is actually what a CCW is about, your life and your families lives.

You're not the Police and it isn't your place to stop a crime with your firearm just because you have a firearm.

Something else to consider...

I shoot at least 1000 rounds a week, at the vary least... I shoot and scoot once a week and teach shooting. I would still have to break down the tactical situation along with balance out the possibilities of my causing others being harmed or killed.

I have no fear of not being able to draw, shoot and put three rounds where I want in tenths of a second, but is it the correct choice?

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 50 weeks ago, 3:18 AM

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call 911?

observe everything you can so you can be a good witness while moving into a position to shoot the fucktard if he does try and stick someone,then ask him for the knife or at least to put the knife down,then if he threatens you,shoot him,but you have to have the mindset for it.If i saw him stick someone,no problem shooting him then for me,but if your not "wargaming" in your head about "what if this or that happens",mentally getting up to speed for the situation will not happen in time.IMHO.I always run scenarios thru my head when i'm out on the town about how to handle situations,I'm sure that guy will mull his actions over for awhile,maybe get some training.

I have seen a video from a surveilance camera where a guy was standing on the sidewalk,this other guy walks up to him with a gun in his hand,pulls up,trys to shoot the guy in the face,the gun malfunctions,the shooter clears it and proceeds to shoot the sidewalk stander in the face,the dumb bastard just stood there,less than an arms length away,and watched this shooter clear his weapon,probably 2-3 seconds.Mindset is a bitch.

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2 years 46 weeks ago, 1:07 AM

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If I'm in an environment where someone is robbing a store and doesn't necessarily pose an immediate threat to others (He's not taking hostages, he's not actively trying to attack, etc..), then my decision might be to act as a good witness and let the cops handle it. You have to remember that even if your shoot is completely justified, it is likely that the dipshit's family is going to recognize the chance for a payday and sue you in civil court for wrongful death. You'd also have to take into account bystanders and your ability. I'm an exceptional shot (and completely modest) with a pistol, but if there's a chance my rounds may pass through or the badguy is positioned in a way that a miss of a couple inches might mean an innocent person getting hit, then I'm not going to take the shot

Drawing your weapon and holding him for the cops might work, or it might cause him to try and take a hostage. I'm not one of those who say you should only draw if you intend to shoot, but I am saying you should only draw if you think you can shoot.

Like LBC says, mindset is crucial, and "wargaming" is a very important part of having a plan. If you don't look around while you're in wally world and ask yourself things like "Where would I go if I heard gunfire coming from the front registers, what would I tell my wife and kid to do if I saw a guy with a weapon by automotive", then you will have to make decisions at the time under stress rather than ahead of time with a cool, analytical mind.

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2 years 46 weeks ago, 1:44 AM

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!

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