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4 years 6 hours ago, 8:57 PM

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When SHTF(shit hits the fan), what guns/weapons, will you bring with you. In this scenario I am talking more along the lines of a Book of Eli plot, or like Fallout type deal. Basically if and when the world comes to an end and all goes to anarchy and everyman for him self to survive, what will you bring? Firearms, ammo, equipment etc. Not a zombie thing. If you have seen the Book of Eli then you know what I am talking about. By the way, Eli carried an HK45!!

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4 years 6 hours ago, 9:10 PM

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funny

i really liked that movie.SHTF scenarios,no big deal,now zombies...those fuckers are scary.

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4 years 6 hours ago, 9:22 PM

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zombies are old news

Yea I agree they are scary, but I knew if I said zombies everyone would have just said ill bring a shotgun. I want to see what weapons people are willing to rely on when it comes down to it. What will they bring with them as they treck through the world of dust and bones, and do they think it will survive the true ultimate torture test of the aftermath of the End of the World as we know it.

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4 years 6 hours ago, 9:24 PM

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Keep in mind...

Keep in mind, you'll need to bring ammo(yes that means carrying it), find ammo(yes that means look for it), and still be able to shoot your ammo if ya have too(yes that means your gun still goes boom! instead of click.....).

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and a bunch of women to carry my ammo

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4 years 6 hours ago, 9:30 PM

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3 years 52 weeks ago, 8:13 PM

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Hell, I can't stop watching this, I'm going blind!!

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3 years 52 weeks ago, 10:34 PM

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Here you go


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4 years 6 hours ago, 9:33 PM

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looks a little skinny except for the implants

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4 years 5 hours ago, 9:41 PM

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implants?

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looks a little skinny except for the implants

don't jiggle like that!

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4 years 6 hours ago, 9:35 PM

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4 years 5 hours ago, 9:39 PM

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wonder what she's hiding

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4 years 5 hours ago, 10:09 PM

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awesome

Awesome. I agree they look real to me. both of them can carry my ammo :)

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4 years 3 hours ago, 11:46 PM

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WHEN IT HITS THE FAN

I think i would have my s&w 686 in .357 and my winchester lever .357. reasons why are obviously a good defence round and not bad at some distance with rifle. ammo fits both guns which is good. can carry a full box (50) rounds very easy with both loaded and western style holster with loops. .38 & .357 ammo is quite plentifull, so hopefully you can find some. if not both are straight wall shells and easier to reload. you can make some pretty potent loads with .38 brass and can use them in a .357 weapon. good all around hunting round. i wouldn't want to take on a bear but would probably work with the rifle. deer size and smaller can even use revolver. then on to guns, revolvers are easier to keep up with and should last much longer than auto's. lever action also.in my humble opinion that would probably be the best all around set up with a worst case scenario. by the way, great topic. and there are probably as many great set-ups as there are people with opions. don't really think you could say there is one absolute best.

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4 years 3 hours ago, 11:54 PM

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pretty good logic.
It would be very hard to get everyone to agree on anything

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3 years 52 weeks ago, 7:14 AM

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Button, howdy

I've been makin' all the rounds here lately and doing a big ole Gunslot welcome to those I missed before. (Like I'm somebody anyway .....yeah right hehehe). You have excellent perspective. Bet you'll get half to agree right off the bat aye. Well said.

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3 years 52 weeks ago, 9:10 AM

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one more thought

i don't want to sound like i sit around and think of the worst, but since i have 2 young kids i do. nice isn't it, great times we live in cause it could happen i think. anyway, people talk about having big guns, .308, 30-06, 7.62, so on and so on. just think about it ,those rounds will work great out to the boonies and beyond, but you will have to be in a dugout or bunker or dug in some where. you probably won't be, you will be like every one ( or thing depending on your frame of mind ) else walking around looking for your next meal or more ammo or your family. if you see someone ( or thing ) 1000 yards out if your lucky enough too. i personaly won't be taking a shoot that far away anyhow, what if that is your last bullet and you miss and it is a thing instead if person ? your screwed. what if it's the family member you where looking for? remember the old Johny Horton song Battle of New Orleans? ( showing my age ) wait untill you can see the whites of their eyes. then you have a better chance of not wasting your last shot. as far as hunting something to eat, same idea. that far away and your gonna go hungry, if you do hit it someone or thing is gonna get to it before you do anyway. or it's gonna run away and you will never find it. cool subject isn't it? reminds me of the Steven King book The Stand, that book scared me.

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3 years 52 weeks ago, 9:24 AM

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Nice Input

Nice input, I really hadnt thought about that but yea. i kinda figured If it was at least 100-200 yards away Id probably leave it alone anyways and try to sneak past. I was thinking about taking an HK USC .45 Carbine with an HK USP .45 since you can (if I am not mistaken) use the USC mags in your USP or the other way around, as long as you havent converted it to a UMP. But that 357 idea is probably a little bit better with the revolver. I agree the revolver would be easier to maintain. Good ideas!

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3 years 52 weeks ago, 9:57 AM

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I'm staying at home. If I had to leave and go on some cross-country journey, I'm taking the M4 and G34. The wife can carry her Rem 700 and XD. Ah, fuck it. I have a bigg-ass truck, so I'm carrying all of my guns

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Everything is gonna be within reach. period.

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3 years 52 weeks ago, 10:59 PM

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Bring where?

Me and the old lady are going 12 feet under ground to my 20 ft storage container bunker stocked with food water guns ammo ect, good luck

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3 years 52 weeks ago, 12:43 AM

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guns I would take

My S/A 1911 version 45..12 ga pump..still need a rifle tho..I like the other guys Idea of a rifle and pistol that shoots the same rounds (357)..so who makes a rifle that shoots a 45 round..cant think of one off the top of my head

3 years 51 weeks ago, 7:18 PM

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azurevirus wrote:
My S/A 1911 version 45..12 ga pump..still need a rifle tho..I like the other guys Idea of a rifle and pistol that shoots the same rounds (357)..so who makes a rifle that shoots a 45 round..cant think of one off the top of my head

The one I was talking about is an HK USC .45acp carbine. Thompson also makes the classic old tommy gun, or Thompson M1A. As for others, there are Henry and Marlin that make lever action rifles in pistol calibers. Just to name a few I know they have 357 mag, and 44 mag.

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3 years 52 weeks ago, 12:52 AM

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I'm already 17 miles from the nearest city.
I have my storm shelter if I want to go
underground. I doubt I would have any
problems way out here BUT that dosen't
mean I would be letting my guard down.

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 7:20 PM

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Raiders, rations, etc

Everybody keeps sayin they arent goin anywhere, well that works for a little while until you run out of food, and you have to travel to get more. Or if a pack of raiders comes and tries to steal your stash while you arent payin attention. At one point or another, you will probably be walking somewhere, your truck will run out of gas at some point also.

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 8:26 AM

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HK45, on surviving

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Everybody keeps sayin they arent goin anywhere, well that works for a little while until you run out of food, and you have to travel to get more. Or if a pack of raiders comes and tries to steal your stash while you arent payin attention. At one point or another, you will probably be walking somewhere, your truck will run out of gas at some point also.

And this is why a community-based defense is the way to go. i have no intentions of trying to survive and care for my wife and young son all alone. I live in rural Missouri, and know at least one retired engineer 1SG lives near me, as he brought his brush hog over to clear my land for me when he saw me and the wife struggling with a push mower. He didn't ask for anything in return. These are the types I live around, and community defense, cooperative agriculture , hunting, farming, and other benefits will keep me right where I am.

Even if you have to go it alone, a static defense requires a much more deliberate effort by an attacking force to break than staying mobile, relying on your own back to maintain your support assets. Raiders will have a much more difficult time taking things from you if you are in a location with prepared defenses. Foraging will be easier if you have a place to take your finds back to. Look at our own natural history. Man started living longer when he stopped living a nomadic lifestyle.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 8:07 AM

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ok

Ok well yea it seems you have quite a good plan then. Ok so you can stay put then haha.

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Yes your plan is good, The more numbers you have the better the chances are for survival, but the only bad thing is that if an enemy"raiders" knows where you are and has time to observe your groups habits, then they will have the advantage, they know your numbers and have a good i idea of what kind of weapons that you have and how much of a threat you are when they make their move to stage an ambush, a full blown assault ect..... In all honesty, anything could happen either way you stand a better chance with more numbers in a secluded and strategical defensible position with a disciplined group of armed people.

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 7:37 PM

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ok try this scenario, wshtf you have only what you can carry on your own back. no wagons or trucks or bunkers or extra help carrying stuff. just you and what you have in a back pack and you have to get to bfe to find your family.

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 8:27 PM

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wshtf

id carry a police officer to protect me and a welfare card to feed me when i get hungry

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 10:14 AM

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id carry a police officer to protect me and a welfare card to feed me when i get hungry

Blue, that is exactly what a friend said at the range last month in a lobby full of Blue hats. Never seen so many donuts dropped or so much coffee spit around a room.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 50 weeks ago, 8:06 AM

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haha

hahaha good one!

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What to carry?

870 Express in 12, and my Glock 9mm. I'd like a M1A in .308 for long distance work, but all that will get heavy fast. In my estimation nearly every poser will have 9mm rounds on their sorry carcass. If I can make the mountains fast, there will be a well defended ranch with family and cattle!

3 years 50 weeks ago, 12:07 PM

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WSHTF My Needs for

WSHTF

My Needs for survival
Food---something light weight, with a ton of calories, some kind of M.R.E, a months supply, (only temporary)

Clothing---Preferably a Kevlar vest 3pairs of durable jeans and shirts and a gray multi-season jacket 1pair of Good hiking Boots, and 1 pair of good shoes, 1 Camelbak Delta-5 Tactical Vest (plenty of webbing for my attachments, plus easy access and storage of water) Elbow pads and Knee Pads for Sliding Down Hills and falling down or taking cover fast without worry of injury, leather gloves (with the tips removed, otherwise they are useless)

Survival Tools---2 maps one for using and the other for a spare.1 Small Led flashlight with 12 extra batteries Matches, Magnesium Fire starting Tool ( 2 dozen is sufficient) 1 Small 2" mirror, 75' of 1 1/4" nylon rope, and 2 reels or several hundred feet of strong fishing line, A leather-man multipurpose pocket tool,1hatchet, 1 Sleeping Bag, 1 knife sharpening block, 1 space blanket, 3 dozen glow sticks, 3 Dozen Flares,(2/3 are for the flare gun, the others are locator flares) A Hiking Backpack that i can store all of this) good Binoculars, small foldaway cooking pan, and a leather water canteen.

Medical---Antibiotics for infections, Hydrogen Peroxide or a bottle of whiskey will do, Advil Liquid Gell, Medical Kit for gunshots, and gashes, Water Purifying tablets, or any other variant, also Personal Hygiene articles.

Weapons-PT92AF 9mm Taurus,with 7 18rnd. clips+1000 rnd's in the pack, 1 cut-down Remington 870, with a pistol grip+2 25 rnd belts and the other 150 rnd's of 12 gauge ammo in my pack. As for the rifle i am unsure, I do know they make rifles with interchangeable barrels for different calibers I will do research on it and update later. I know I will need a rifle because the pistol and shotgun just wont cut it for medium to long range shooting,The pistol and shotgun are primarily for hunting deer, boar and other small game.1 12" K-Bar Knife, and 1 K-Bar Kukris Machete. My gun cleaning kit that can clean pistols, shotguns and rifles. I have a tactical thigh rig for my pistol and the belt i have is very durable and can accommodate just about anything.

Optional.
A partridge in a pair tree, though it might be hard to locate

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 1:12 PM

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Good list James, but 1,000 rounds of 9mm seems like a lot to pack. I can see how 1,000 rounds might go quickly in certain scenarios, but with so much essential cargo to carry, 30-40 lbs worth of ammo seems like a lot. Especially for one of the most common handgun cartridges available.

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Agreed, but its really not a whole lot, 1 box(100count) of Winchester 9mm Luger 115gr. fmj's weighs in at exactly 2.6 lbs ( i have just weighed it)
10x2.6 =26 lbs, i guess it does add up, let me figure out the rest of the weight for everything else. I may have to much!

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 7:32 AM

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Handguns for SHTF

I think it is wise to consider how the infantry operates. Weight and space are a premium when going dismount, and everything needs to have a purpose. The weight and space taken by a sidearm can be better used by carrying extra ammo for the longarm, food, medical supplies, or other critical item. Now, I plan to carry my sidearm and a few mags, but if things are too heavy, it's one of the first items to be traded off.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 7:30 PM

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I disagree

I disagree there. I would drop my rifle first as it would be heavier. I am a pretty good shot with a pistol out to 25 yards no problem, the rifle weighs a lot more, and if there was a threat past 50 yards or so, id probably try to sneak past it anyways. I know everybodys gonna be like what! drop your rifle??? But yea, i mean close quarters combat with a rifle say inside an old ruggedy house you are looking to make shelter in, with a rifle, it wouldnt be hard for someone to hide around the corner, wait for your barrel to stick through the doorway and then grab your barrel, and boom, your disarmed and probably dead. You can keep a 45 pistol much closer to your body, and still pack a punch. Id go with the sidearm. Unless you had like a sawedoff shotty or coach shotgun or something.

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My red rider and swiss army knife lol

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haha

haha there ya go!

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Taking the contents of the gun safe, and entire ammo supply...........By the way Lucky, I'am gonna need a couple of those ammo carriers you where displaying!

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Alright......

I liked the first one better!

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 4:23 PM

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weak mind,big tits,whats not to like here? picky,picky,picky...

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 9:04 AM

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Drop the rifle? Wow.

In the environment posted (SHTF, Book of Eli-type thing), a rifle is the best friend you can have. Worried about somebody grabbing your rifle barrel in a house? Don't flag the corner. If someone does happen to grab the barrel, start pumping rounds into their lower legs and feet. bet they let go real quick. Being a good shot at 25 or 35 yards doesn't really compare with being even a mediocre shot at 50-100 yards, along with the barrier peneatration at closer ranges. Forget the concealability and maneuverability of a pistol and focus on the effectiveness of the rifle in deterrence, defense, and food procurement

Training is the key to success with about anything, but especially gunfighting. There are plenty of good techniques for CQB/UO/MOUT/Whatever that work with rifles, carbines, and shotguns. If you look at the top military and law enforcement units out there who specialize in urban combat, how many use handguns as their primary weapons? Not many.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
3 years 50 weeks ago, 4:12 PM

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ok but how many use short barreled rifles that are not legal in my hands which means I probably wouldnt have one when the shit did hit the fan such as HK MP5, etc. Plus I am not really trying to hunt people down, I am really trying to go about my business without getting killed. This isnt a war, this is still self defense. I am not trying to eliminate everyone, I am trying to get from point A to Point B without being killed. If I was at war yea the sidearm would probably go first because I would be trying to elminate every target I see from as far away as possible. In this situation i dont think you would necessarily know if that guy 100 yrds off is a threat to you. In which case, you may have just murdered an inocent guy just tryin to get by like myself. What if I decide to take dude out with my rifle, and get up close to find out that dude was family, friend etc. I am not saying I am going to try and enter a firefight at those distances, i mean thats just common sense. If I see someone out at 100 yards am I going to start shit with him with my 45 pistol? Hell no, of course not. And by the way, in a CQC situation if and when they would grab the barrel who said they would conveniently pull it facing towards their body? Probably nobody with half a brain would grab your barrel and point it towards themselves, as much as that would make things easier I dont think its very likely.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 10:43 AM

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Like Run said why depend on a weapon good for 35 yards max in the hands of a great shot.When you can have a rifle that has much more range, energy, accuracy, and use.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 3:29 PM

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rifle over hand gun?

keep the hand gun as a backup for the rifle.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 3:35 PM

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So are you.

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3 years 50 weeks ago, 3:36 PM

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rifle over handgun

sure, keep them both... but if you have to choose, RIFLE

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3 years 49 weeks ago, 11:54 AM

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Yeah Rifle over handgun in that situation. And I would prefer to carry more rifle ammo over handgun ammo as well. I would prefer to keep any threats at a distance instead of up-close. My AR doesn't weigh much and my XD doesn't either, so in reality it doesn't hurt to carry both, but my M4 style AR has MUCH more utility than my XD45.

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3 years 49 weeks ago, 1:41 PM

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Short barrelled rifle

A commercial M4 has a 16" barrel with 1.5" flash supressor. 17.5" is not a long barrel at all. As far as how to get someone off your barrel, there are a few different ways to do it, I highlighted one. As with any weapon you buy, a defensive rifle requires training.

I wouldn't try and start anything with an unknown person either, but I would definitely like the capability of returning effective fire if they start something. In a true EOTWAWKI environment, defense becomes a matter of having enough firepower to defend yourself and family, and a pistol just won't cut it.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
3 years 49 weeks ago, 10:40 PM

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I'm thinkin something like a mini 14

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 6:14 AM

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Hated them both. I think the rifles themselves were okay, I think it was probably bad aftermarket mags. Either way, I have nearly 200 M4 mags (I had more, but sold a bunch), and a shitload of accessories, plus the training and experience with that system, so it's the M4 or similar all the way for me.

Now to get my hands on some of that new 5.56 EPR.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
3 years 47 weeks ago, 10:35 AM

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I'm a big fan of the .22 for food gathering due to it's lower noise. I have a Revolver, and a 1022 for this. For Protection of our home, the 1911A1, PK380(final backup).

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