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2 years 9 weeks ago, 8:55 AM

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Obama bought 1.6 billion rounds of ammo for Government employees. Try to imagine, enough ammo to shoot every living man woman and child in this country 5 times, enough ammo for every authorized government employee to have 300,000 rounds of hollow point to play with. How long would you have to camp out at the range to burn through that many rounds?. 1.6 billion rounds is enough to cover all the small arms rounds used in Iraq for 20 years. Thats 26, 000 tons worth, about the same weight as a 300ft cruise ship., and nobody in Congress is questioning this? I am not even counting the thousands of armored cars and thousands of select fire weapons also purchased at the same time. What is Obama expecting to happen to need this? Can't be good.

2 years 9 weeks ago, 12:07 PM

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It is not good, I hope I am wrong about what I think is going on.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 7:47 PM

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Here are some links to help us understand the ammo purchases by the Government.

http://patriotpost.us/editions/17122

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/05/nro-ammunition-purchases-by-govern...

http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2013/03/why-the-goverment-is-buying...

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/08/26/the-history-of-dhs-ammunition-pu...

Hopefully we may learn something from these websites...

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 6:17 AM

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Thanks for the links

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 11:18 AM

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Read through all the links you posted. The hotair site tries to explain the purchase as nothing to worry about, but it is my understanding that the gov has about 275,000 civilian { i.e non military} employees authorized to carry a firearm getting 1,600, 000,000 rounds still adds up to thousands of rounds per person. If it's true that the majority of this ammo has to last them for the next ten years maybe it makes sense.But if they do another big buy next year I would be very worried

2 years 9 weeks ago, 1:11 PM

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Sorry, I don't have the link ( I think it was a Forbes article), but they broke down the numbers. It came out to be roughly 3500 rounds per year for each armed Gov employee for the next 5 yrs. We all know that many just qualify annually and won't use near that, but there are other groups that perform high volume training so it may be a wash. Is the timing a coincidence? Who knows... I don't know what their current surplus looks like.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 1:46 PM

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Reaper,
I did a quick search on Forbes and cam e away with nothing, I cross referenced the National Review and found the numbers:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/342161/great-ammunition-myth-char...

Hopefully that will help.

clint

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 1:20 PM

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While I appreciate the tenacity to make sure I read the links I posted, I did not write them. I was only trying to use "conservative" sources to shed some light on the forum question and answer the talking points that seem to have been generated by conspiracy theory websites.

The reason I posted four links was for the readers to try and disseminate the truth from different sources. It is up to the reader to do their homework and gather as much information as they can so they can make informed decisions rather than knee jerk reactions. I can not control how others gather information, I can only place forward the information I think is pertinent.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 2:24 PM

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Well Clint

How are we supposed to consider your dissemination of information broad based when neither a Spanish or French article is included? I mean really........

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 7:50 PM

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So, if I go out and buy 3500 rounds, does that mean that I'm up to no good. Or am I doing a lot of practicing? The libs are all saying that no one needs that many rounds. You have to practice to be a good shot. I would like to think that a federal agent who carries would be a good shot.

I have heard a lot of stories about FEMA camps, shadow armies, and bulk arms purchases. It could all be true or just hot air. What I do know is that I buy a lot of ammo and I don't like people inferring that I'm up to no good. A side from huge bulk purchases of ammo, what else would indicate that a hostile action is eminent?

2 years 9 weeks ago, 9:19 AM

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thinking the whole gov ammo thing is blown out of proportion myself.hey nothing sells like fear right?im of the opinion that this is one of their standard purchases,publicized to coincide with the gun grab bill.as Machiavellian as i could imagine is the large purchase was possibly designed in part to disrupt civilian availability,but even that makes me feel a lil crazy for thinking it :)

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 12:43 PM

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Having read all the stories, and talking to other people I found the following. Two different ammop sale people told me why ammo is now so hard to get. It is nit the average hunter and shooter. However, they told me there is a lot pf people just hording it. That is what caused the shortage. And like Jay stated nothing sells like fear. Once ammo became harder to get, the fear kicked in and people hoarded even more.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 2:39 AM

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My brother and I just went to the range yesterday. Unfortunatly he has more money than our govenment and is buying ammunition for himself at an alarming rate. The true story is. He couldn't shoot the ocean standing on the beach and needs that much ammo just for practice. Get it before he does. That way it won't be wasted. :0) :0) :0)

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 6:50 AM

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Hoard Ammo

I would like to hoard ammo myself, except I shoot too much. If I had money to burn I would buy more, I reload 9mm and 45acp with a friend and it is still expesive. We are ramping up to load .223, I should be able to stockpile after that.

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 11:25 PM

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Hoarding Ammo

I don't consider it hoarding, but I have 500 rounds of target and defensive ammo for each firearm I own.

In all seriousness, having 10,000 rounds of each caliber needed to keep your weapons loaded is silly.in my opinion. If you actually find yourself in a situation where you think you will need more than a battle pack.with you, you should be hiding and not shooting...

I shoot not reloads at the range because of the number o f rounds I go through when I do shoot.

ThIs is my personal opinion of course. But then against I have options not evey one else mighth ave if shtf in a seris maner.one.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 8 weeks ago, 11:27 PM

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Lol

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 8 weeks ago, 5:06 AM

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well at less u have one..........lol

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 5:09 AM

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nothing wrong with having LOTS of AMMO plus you can sell it later @ a better price make some $$$ off of it :>) if you going in to a fire fight you batter have more of a back up then ammo..................

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 10:53 AM

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I would like to have a reserve of 1,000 rounds for each firearm. Except the hunting rifles, that would be enough for 3 lifetimes. I go through a bunch of 12 gauge, I buy that by the case and have a hard time keeping a lot stock piled.

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