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dynadog44,
Perhaps your father should check with the company where he works. They might require a specific sidearm. Sometimes that is required so if someone runs out of ammo, they can share magazines. I would also say, and it is up to him of course, that he stick with what he knows. His job is protection, so if he is uncomfortable with a new weapon system he will be curtailed in his objective.

I have never been in the executive protection business, so these are just hypothesis.

clint

but a Glock 30(45 caliber) or 10mm would be my choice in a semi auto(i am sounding more and more like a Glock slut).

If the firm doesn't require a specific side arm, then he should go to a range and shoot a few pistols, especially since he doesn't have a lot of experience with them. Really the best gun for carry is the one you feel most comfortable shooting and carrying, regardless of your preference for a specific manufacturer or model.

I also agree with Clint that if the security details function in pairs or groups that magazine sharing is an important factor.

speed loaders would be a help.
Is he going to be front line ?

getting into a gun battle isn't gonna be his first priority anyway,he has to secure his client,from what little i know about that work anyway.

......HK. Id go with an HK P7, HK P30, HK USP .45, or an HK45 or HK45c. Also Sig Sauer makes a very respectable high quality service pistol. Secret Service uses them, navy seals use them, coast guard uses them etc. Sigs are good guns.

The new model is very improved BUT
They need to come off that price
several hundred

Yes the c stands for compact. I have it and it truly is a great gun. I would say that the HK45c is around the same size as a glock 23. I am overlaying them right now and there really isnt a whole lot of difference in size. I have a full gun review of it up on my page. These guns really are second to none. About the Sig Sauer product line, I think the Sig Sauer P-Series are some of the best handguns on earth. The newer ones, I have no experience with, so I really cant speak for guns like the SigPro, but I would expect that they are un par with the rest of them. SigPro Polymer framed guns can be had for around the same price as a glock, and for less than glocks in some cases.

If your dad isn't proficient with a gun, but has been in management positions, perhaps he should work on being a team leader who actually physically secures the protectee while the other members of the team actually return fire.

1- Considering the job, a high-capacity auto would probably be a better choice than a revolver since the need for supressive fire, as opposed to a couple aimed shots, may exist.

2- As far as which gun, that'll depend entirely on your dad's preference. Have him handle a few different types, maybe borrow or rent some different ones to see which he likes. I personally love the Glock and the XD series. I recommend sticking with one of the major brands such as Glock, Springfield Armory, Glock, Beretta, Glock, Sig, or even the Glock. And there's always the Glock.

HA! Quality answer sir. Hats off. Thanks for submitting your opinion. I've come across many of your posts as I was checking out this site before joining. You do a great job of submitting quality responses on the boards. It's a pleasure to meet you.

with thegayrunaway, mag cap will be a valuable asset. That said, he should obviously become familiar and proficient with it before he carries. I would look at something double stack with higher capacity. As you know 9x19's will usually allow you more mag cap than a .45ACP etc. Would he ever need something to penetrate light armor or car doors? FNH five seven holds 20+1. There shouldn't be anything wrong with a pistol from one of the major manufacturers who has built a reputation as being reliable. I just realized you are in CA. Is he? Is he restricted to 10 rds mag cap?

i had a brand new compact s&w .40 but got rid of it cause when i grabed it it felt like i was gonna drop it. i had to do a double grab to hold on to the gun. i now have a s&w sw40ve. ( a new sigma ) i think that is an excellent carry gun. has good knock down, and has high capacity. .45's are proven,and that is what i used to carry but they are heavy for the most part. 9's are ok but they don't have the impact of .40's or .45's. when lives are on the line that one first shot has to count. in that scenario i want to stop a charge fast and now . and a 9x19 may not do it.

I would go with the FNH five seven because while the ones who are providing cover fire plus I forget the name of the smg that uses the same round, though they use different mags

you have to realize there is a bit of potential for over penetration with AP rounds. Not really sure I was suggesting a five seven, just throwing it out there. Any high cap 9mm, .40, .45, 10mm... whatever he can shoot. Just make sure he gets the right ammo for the environment

what you doing up at 1am

after being shot

The triggers on those are terrible. And if they guy is working for a private corporaion, he probably won't have access to the AP ammo.

In most close protection encounters, the key, to quote the cool guy crowd, is to "get off the X". Get away from the threat, out of the killzone, whatever. Most shooting will be done as a supressive measure, but there is also the issue of liability with stray rounds. The key here is to have a gun that can easy be controlled, has a high capacity, and is accurate. Most protective team setups that I'm familiar with have a team leader or other particular person designated to physically control the protectee and guide him or her to the evacuation, and that person doesn't usually draw a weapon unless absolutely necessary. If you're operating as part of a one or two-man team, then you may have to use one hand on the protectee and one with a gun, so it should be something you can fire reasonably well one-handed, although that's a pretty extreme scenario.

Have I mentioned the Glock?

this could go on forever, as it should. everyone has their favorite. i have a few different ones, from .22 to .45. except .25 i think that is worthless in all categories. ( just my opinion ) 9 mm. is great and if you have the right ammo will do anything you need it to. the reason i like .40 & .45 is the worst case scenario. if you only get one shot and it HAS to stop someone i like something that will knock them down. granted it may not kill them, but it will buy you a couple seconds to reload or run or whatever you need or can do. if you have the option of unloading at someone all the time a .22 will inflict a lot of damage. ammo is the key. if you get some good stuff, whatever you are using will work. the picture above didn't have good defence rounds, or that many shots would have stopped him. there wouldn't be enough of his torso left for him to walk with. as far as the trigger on the s&w, i like it for the reason that i can get the gun out without having to be in a perfect stance and pull the trigger.i have wide fingers and the 2 stage doesn't seem to bother me. it is a kinda hard pull at first but if you work it out of it, it does get better.i put a lot of rounds thru it and the pull is very comfortable for me know. like i said it's all a matter of opinion, everyone has their favorite. i don't knock any except .25's they all work and will kill stuff in the right hands.

amen. i have never shot a human, but have shot a lot of animals and critters, i am putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. i don't think anything will relliably kill with one shot, didn't say it would. what i think is the bigger mass bullets will buy you more time if it isn't a kill shot. if you hit in the shoulder with .45 it will spin the body around just because of the big bullet. a smaller round will only move that body part and they can still attack. worst case scenario. as far as .25's you can always throw the gun at them. like you said if that's all i had i damn sure wouldn't throw it away cause i didn't like it. i carry a .40 and 2 extra mags cause i want as many shots as i can possibly have, i don't for a second think i will have to only shoot once. i have no missconception of my ability and my guns. ya know i don't think we are on the original subject are we? well maybe a little. ammo will be the factor also. if you have pliking rounds you aren't as apt to do as good. a good bullet will make all the difference in the world. speaking of which taurus has some very good rounds for .45. i used there copper self defence rounds. remingtons golden saber is also a good one.

Based on your description, I'd recommend that he stick with a wheel gun-I assume as an ex-police officer he's got one he's fairly proficient with. Unless he's going overseas or to Mexico, i'd imagine he's not going to often be called on to actually use the gun, so I'd suggest a large (& large caliber), shiny, obvious revolver for psychological effect. Speed loaders have been mentioned earlier in the thread, and wheel guns are more difficult to jam. If he's not familiar with a semi-auto, then carrying one is probably not a good plan. He can carry a second smaller revolver for a New York reload as well (probably should carry a 2nd concealed anyway if he's carrying the first one openly.) This does assume that he's allowed to open carry for this job.
Out of curiousity, when did he retire/from what police force? Is he working any sort of high risk zone?

My vote is for the M134D.

;-)

But really, for exec protection...the H&K MP7.

I have to bring up my most feared aspect
A trigger happy cop show up on the scene
and shoot me if I have a gun drawn.
Something to keep in mind anyway.
What to do when the cops show up with
their guns drawn screaming at you like
banchies adding to the confusion and
danger

I saw a show where a guy had his gun drawn
and was shot before the cops even knew who
the bad guy was. The bad guy did still have a
gun although he was down and the cops didn't
see it. The show just enforced my fear of (some)
cops and civilians with weapons

CZ SP-01 Tactical 40 S&W, it's a double/single action 17 (tactical Sport Mags) round + 1 = 18 round tack driver, or a Sig 226 Elite 40 with 15 round LEO mags and one in the Chamber = 16 round tack driver.

that just says fuck everybody

A Sig, Glock, or a 1911 in .45acp I think that's the best choice. Whatever gun or caliber you use, the combo of marksmanship and a calm steady hand is the key (easier said than done) one well placed .22 could kill someone instantly while winging someone with a .45 won't keep the bullets from flying your way.

I like many thing's, But I would pick a 9mm. But I would say he need's to make sure he hit's his target.

I rented every gun my local store had. Every big name is makeing good products. We all know that. It's what fells best in your hand. Do you want a external safty or not,ect. I vote for a semi auto because of higher compasity of ammo they hold. I wouldn't want any thing less than a 40. Just because of pure knock down power. Springfield is now makeing the XDm in a 45. It has a match grade barrel and trigger. Good luck

Bring a Kris 45acp personal defense weapon ( can't remember the spelling) but seriously the whole team should be carrying the same sidearm for compatibility, never know when u might need an extra magazine or have to use one of there weapons, everything will be the same as what u are currently carrying

It always goes bang!!!
Make your shots count
means less stray bullets

Yep always a smartass around lol

I too am former Law Enforcement and I would suggest the S&W CS45 while this gun is not for everyone it's size and weight make it idle for some people. If you have bigger hands this gun is not for you but if you can handle it well it would do a great job doe him.

Glock 19. Proven, adequate, simple, goof-proof, inexpensive. If he's transitioning from a wheelgun, the Glock will make it simpler than a leverbuttonflipperflapperclapper setup like the standard sidearms from HK, SIG, et al (their LEM and DAK variants would also be a contender).

Good 9mm ammo can be had in a very wide penetration range, which some feel is critical in the EP/BG role. It's also less expensive than most other sidearm calibers.

Keep his snub as a backup.