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3 years 47 weeks ago, 12:50 PM

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OK Gun Slot users, I have a big question for you and I would appreciate everyone to weigh in on this one. My father is a retired Police Officer and has been in the Executive Protection business for the past 20 years. He has been at the management level the majority of the time and has not needed to carry professionally. He is now with a new firm and he has learned that from time to time, he will have to participate in security escorts.

Now here are two key questions for everyone...

1) My father has never carried, and has very little experience with, semi auto pistols. Do you suggest that he switch over to semi auto or stick with his wheel gun?

2) What gun and reload system do you suggest that he go with in semi auto or revolver?

3 years 47 weeks ago, 12:57 PM

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dynadog44,
Perhaps your father should check with the company where he works. They might require a specific sidearm. Sometimes that is required so if someone runs out of ammo, they can share magazines. I would also say, and it is up to him of course, that he stick with what he knows. His job is protection, so if he is uncomfortable with a new weapon system he will be curtailed in his objective.

I have never been in the executive protection business, so these are just hypothesis.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 8:51 PM

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This is an excellent point Clint. Thanks for weighing in. I have not thought about this facet. He is the top dog in his new position as he is assembling a the security division at this time, so there are no sidearm requirements yet. But perhaps checking with local law enforcement is advisable, to see if there can be continuity between all parties involved on the protection details. I can definitely see the benefit there. Great to meet you.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 8:46 PM

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They are playing hell getting mine.
Don't be so trigger happy next time

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 8:53 PM

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didn't you learn

to share growing up CW?

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 8:57 PM

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:29 AM

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Charles,
I hope you are trying to make a joke with this post. I can think of a scenario where sharing magazines comes into play.

3 man protection squad. Alpha secures the package, Bravo covers retreat, Charlie holds off the attackers with suppressive fire. Now, how many people fired their weapon? Only one, maybe two depending on retreat tactics, so who is going to be low on ammo? Charlie and maybe Bravo, will be low on ammo.
To automatically serve up a self preservation statement such as you did shows lack of understanding of the question and perhaps the overall scenario of teamwork. These people are professionals that rely on each other to perform a duty. They will not be selfish when the times come to protect the team, and if their is an ego in the bunch, it will get weeded out right quick.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 3:24 PM

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lots of variables

but a Glock 30(45 caliber) or 10mm would be my choice in a semi auto(i am sounding more and more like a Glock slut).

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 8:10 PM

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Heavier Calibers

Those are some beefy calibers. I like your style Lucky!

3 years 47 weeks ago, 7:09 PM

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If the firm doesn't require a specific side arm, then he should go to a range and shoot a few pistols, especially since he doesn't have a lot of experience with them. Really the best gun for carry is the one you feel most comfortable shooting and carrying, regardless of your preference for a specific manufacturer or model.

I also agree with Clint that if the security details function in pairs or groups that magazine sharing is an important factor.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:04 PM

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Thanks for weighing in Mattitude. I agree with you 100%. He is a pretty busy guy and I wonder if he will take the time to go make the best selection. I'm a bit concerned that he will not go practice as much as he should with a semi auto to get used to it and learn how to quickly clear jams. It's not rocket science, but if he doesn't train himself, he may be putting himself in a bad position if he has to use it. On the other hand, I would not want him to be under gunned with his old 5 round .38 S&W snub. Tough call.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:08 PM

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speed loaders would be a help.
Is he going to be front line ?

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:19 PM

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It will depend on the security detail. Sometimes driver, other times escort and sometimes logistics. It will depend on if he is augmenting with additional staff or local law enforcement. Speed Loaders and Moon Clips certainly would be a solid suggestion if he goes with the revolver. Do you own anything with a moon clip capabilities? Have you ever used them?

3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:23 PM

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was to shoot surplus government 45 auto
in a revolver.
Speed loaders work very well

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:27 PM

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Do you have any preferred brands of speed loader or style?

3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:34 PM

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they have a full line

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:35 PM

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Cool, thanks man. I appreciate it.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:14 PM

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well as Ex-protection

getting into a gun battle isn't gonna be his first priority anyway,he has to secure his client,from what little i know about that work anyway.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:25 PM

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You are correct. His first priority will be to secure the client. In many scenarios, the gun is used in self defense through suppressive fire and controlling threats during arrests. This is where the right gun selection comes into play. Also, it is where my concerns lye for my father because I want to make certain he can aptly protect himself should the situation require it. It's been about 20 years since he has carried for executive protection details and a lot has changed.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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may be he needs a gun coarse to refresh

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:38 PM

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I agree. I'm hoping he will be open to take one. He can be a bit stubborn at times.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:48 PM

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and it will be required of him in his
new position

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:40 PM

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......HK. Id go with an HK P7, HK P30, HK USP .45, or an HK45 or HK45c. Also Sig Sauer makes a very respectable high quality service pistol. Secret Service uses them, navy seals use them, coast guard uses them etc. Sigs are good guns.

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I was wondering if anyone was going to serve up some HK or Sig product. Thanks for weighing in HK45 and its a pleasure to meet you! I think these are all excellent firearms. For the HK45c, does the "c" stand for compact?

3 years 47 weeks ago, 8:56 PM

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......HK. Id go with an HK P7, HK P30, HK USP .45, or an HK45 or HK45c. .

really,i would of never guessed HK45, haha

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:46 PM

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The new model is very improved BUT
They need to come off that price
several hundred

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 10:02 PM

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Yes

Yes the c stands for compact. I have it and it truly is a great gun. I would say that the HK45c is around the same size as a glock 23. I am overlaying them right now and there really isnt a whole lot of difference in size. I have a full gun review of it up on my page. These guns really are second to none. About the Sig Sauer product line, I think the Sig Sauer P-Series are some of the best handguns on earth. The newer ones, I have no experience with, so I really cant speak for guns like the SigPro, but I would expect that they are un par with the rest of them. SigPro Polymer framed guns can be had for around the same price as a glock, and for less than glocks in some cases.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 12:06 PM

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If your dad isn't proficient with a gun, but has been in management positions, perhaps he should work on being a team leader who actually physically secures the protectee while the other members of the team actually return fire.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 2:10 PM

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Hey Runaway,
You have a solid point, but it isn't really up to me. What I'm attempting to do is pole the users for some gun info. Perhaps someone who has made the switch to a semi auto or someone who does not feel it is necessary. Possibly even someone like yourself that has much experience. Thanks for weighing in and it is great to meet you. Do you have any suggestions for the original two questions?

3 years 47 weeks ago, 2:24 PM

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1- Considering the job, a high-capacity auto would probably be a better choice than a revolver since the need for supressive fire, as opposed to a couple aimed shots, may exist.

2- As far as which gun, that'll depend entirely on your dad's preference. Have him handle a few different types, maybe borrow or rent some different ones to see which he likes. I personally love the Glock and the XD series. I recommend sticking with one of the major brands such as Glock, Springfield Armory, Glock, Beretta, Glock, Sig, or even the Glock. And there's always the Glock.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 2:29 PM

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Glock *cough* Glock

HA! Quality answer sir. Hats off. Thanks for submitting your opinion. I've come across many of your posts as I was checking out this site before joining. You do a great job of submitting quality responses on the boards. It's a pleasure to meet you.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 5:24 PM

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with thegayrunaway, mag cap will be a valuable asset. That said, he should obviously become familiar and proficient with it before he carries. I would look at something double stack with higher capacity. As you know 9x19's will usually allow you more mag cap than a .45ACP etc. Would he ever need something to penetrate light armor or car doors? FNH five seven holds 20+1. There shouldn't be anything wrong with a pistol from one of the major manufacturers who has built a reputation as being reliable. I just realized you are in CA. Is he? Is he restricted to 10 rds mag cap?

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i had a brand new compact s&w .40 but got rid of it cause when i grabed it it felt like i was gonna drop it. i had to do a double grab to hold on to the gun. i now have a s&w sw40ve. ( a new sigma ) i think that is an excellent carry gun. has good knock down, and has high capacity. .45's are proven,and that is what i used to carry but they are heavy for the most part. 9's are ok but they don't have the impact of .40's or .45's. when lives are on the line that one first shot has to count. in that scenario i want to stop a charge fast and now . and a 9x19 may not do it.

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i had a brand new compact s&w .40 but got rid of it cause when i grabed it it felt like i was gonna drop it. i had to do a double grab to hold on to the gun. i now have a s&w sw40ve. ( a new sigma ) i think that is an excellent carry gun. has good knock down, and has high capacity. .45's are proven,and that is what i used to carry but they are heavy for the most part. 9's are ok but they don't have the impact of .40's or .45's. when lives are on the line that one first shot has to count. in that scenario i want to stop a charge fast and now . and a 9x19 may not do it.

You like that trigger on your sigma?, i thought it was god awful.
I don't really want to re start one of the most debated subjects in the history of handguns but all three of those calibers have been proven and all will work, none of them are guaranteed to instantly kill. you would be surprised as to what the human body can withstand, (if you don't already know, that is) don't get too caught up on thinking the 45 is the ultimate man stopping death dealing round ever made or the 9mm is a last resort round. i shoot all of the above i'm just saying, if you want to stop a charge fast and now empty the entire magazine into the head and load up a fresh one. don't rely on a wonder caliber to be a quick Hollywood bang bang your dead bad guy falls 4 feet back as smoke comes out of your 1911 barrel scenario

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45 stops all

I had a friend get shot 6 times with a 45 in the chest he lived, and he weighs less than 150 lbs. Ya he's lucky but it did happen

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I agree with reaper308

I would go with the FNH five seven because while the ones who are providing cover fire plus I forget the name of the smg that uses the same round, though they use different mags

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you have to realize there is a bit of potential for over penetration with AP rounds. Not really sure I was suggesting a five seven, just throwing it out there. Any high cap 9mm, .40, .45, 10mm... whatever he can shoot. Just make sure he gets the right ammo for the environment

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Howdy Reaper

what you doing up at 1am

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 2:28 AM

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The triggers on those are terrible. And if they guy is working for a private corporaion, he probably won't have access to the AP ammo.

In most close protection encounters, the key, to quote the cool guy crowd, is to "get off the X". Get away from the threat, out of the killzone, whatever. Most shooting will be done as a supressive measure, but there is also the issue of liability with stray rounds. The key here is to have a gun that can easy be controlled, has a high capacity, and is accurate. Most protective team setups that I'm familiar with have a team leader or other particular person designated to physically control the protectee and guide him or her to the evacuation, and that person doesn't usually draw a weapon unless absolutely necessary. If you're operating as part of a one or two-man team, then you may have to use one hand on the protectee and one with a gun, so it should be something you can fire reasonably well one-handed, although that's a pretty extreme scenario.

Have I mentioned the Glock?

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this could go on forever, as it should. everyone has their favorite. i have a few different ones, from .22 to .45. except .25 i think that is worthless in all categories. ( just my opinion ) 9 mm. is great and if you have the right ammo will do anything you need it to. the reason i like .40 & .45 is the worst case scenario. if you only get one shot and it HAS to stop someone i like something that will knock them down. granted it may not kill them, but it will buy you a couple seconds to reload or run or whatever you need or can do. if you have the option of unloading at someone all the time a .22 will inflict a lot of damage. ammo is the key. if you get some good stuff, whatever you are using will work. the picture above didn't have good defence rounds, or that many shots would have stopped him. there wouldn't be enough of his torso left for him to walk with. as far as the trigger on the s&w, i like it for the reason that i can get the gun out without having to be in a perfect stance and pull the trigger.i have wide fingers and the 2 stage doesn't seem to bother me. it is a kinda hard pull at first but if you work it out of it, it does get better.i put a lot of rounds thru it and the pull is very comfortable for me know. like i said it's all a matter of opinion, everyone has their favorite. i don't knock any except .25's they all work and will kill stuff in the right hands.

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[quote=button5560. except .25 i think that is worthless in all categories. ( just my opinion ) 9 mm. is great and if you have the right ammo will do anything you need it to. the reason i like .40 & .45 is the worst case scenario. if you only get one shot and it HAS to stop someone i like something that will knock them down. granted it may not kill them, but it will buy you a couple seconds to reload or run or whatever you need .[/quote]

The point i was trying to make is that one shot of any pistol caliber 95% of the time isn't going to kill them , and would almost never knock them to the ground ...i said almost. The reason you see people fall down when they get shot say on you tube videos of gas station robberies is from the physiological aspect of getting shot.(sometimes just from seeing the gun whipped in their face) there is a whole science to it im just telling you for your safety "Knockdown" power should be renamed.assuming this is true, which it is, id rather have a .25 than nothing , but i agree its a shitty round compared to anything else. Ive shot people nearly point blank with rifles and a shotgun (never a pistol) never seen a one shot knock down, never seen a hollywood headshot. for the record i carry a .45, i just dont want you to have think your going to pull the trigger once and he is going to fall down or get hurt so bad he cant shoot back .

weather they are .25 or .45 just stay as calm as you can, shoot them to the ground with as many bullets as you can get off, then shoot them in the head, then reaload, then watch the door, then call the cops, and stay alive.

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amen. i have never shot a human, but have shot a lot of animals and critters, i am putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. i don't think anything will relliably kill with one shot, didn't say it would. what i think is the bigger mass bullets will buy you more time if it isn't a kill shot. if you hit in the shoulder with .45 it will spin the body around just because of the big bullet. a smaller round will only move that body part and they can still attack. worst case scenario. as far as .25's you can always throw the gun at them. like you said if that's all i had i damn sure wouldn't throw it away cause i didn't like it. i carry a .40 and 2 extra mags cause i want as many shots as i can possibly have, i don't for a second think i will have to only shoot once. i have no missconception of my ability and my guns. ya know i don't think we are on the original subject are we? well maybe a little. ammo will be the factor also. if you have pliking rounds you aren't as apt to do as good. a good bullet will make all the difference in the world. speaking of which taurus has some very good rounds for .45. i used there copper self defence rounds. remingtons golden saber is also a good one.

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Based on your description, I'd recommend that he stick with a wheel gun-I assume as an ex-police officer he's got one he's fairly proficient with. Unless he's going overseas or to Mexico, i'd imagine he's not going to often be called on to actually use the gun, so I'd suggest a large (& large caliber), shiny, obvious revolver for psychological effect. Speed loaders have been mentioned earlier in the thread, and wheel guns are more difficult to jam. If he's not familiar with a semi-auto, then carrying one is probably not a good plan. He can carry a second smaller revolver for a New York reload as well (probably should carry a 2nd concealed anyway if he's carrying the first one openly.) This does assume that he's allowed to open carry for this job.
Out of curiousity, when did he retire/from what police force? Is he working any sort of high risk zone?

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My vote...

My vote is for the M134D.

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But really, for exec protection...the H&K MP7.

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Nice Hardware!

I think you are correct, that is the perfect piece of hardware for some real serious protection.

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I have to bring up my most feared aspect
A trigger happy cop show up on the scene
and shoot me if I have a gun drawn.
Something to keep in mind anyway.
What to do when the cops show up with
their guns drawn screaming at you like
banchies adding to the confusion and
danger

A little rebellion is good medicine for the government Thomas Jefferson
3 years 47 weeks ago, 1:46 AM

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CharlesW wrote:
I have to bring up my most feared aspect
A trigger happy cop show up on the scene
and shoot me if I have a gun drawn.
Something to keep in mind anyway.
What to do when the cops show up with
their guns drawn screaming at you like
banchies adding to the confusion and
danger

ive always thought that if i ever have to use my weapon for self defence, once i see the blue and red lights im putting it away, before they even get out of the car

The evils of tyranny are rarely seen, but by he who resists it.
3 years 47 weeks ago, 4:19 PM

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Great Point

I'm glad you both brought this up. I've never put that much thought into it, but I definitely think I agree with putting it away when they show up before it becomes an issue... so long as the circumstances permit.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 3:15 AM

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I saw a show where a guy had his gun drawn
and was shot before the cops even knew who
the bad guy was. The bad guy did still have a
gun although he was down and the cops didn't
see it. The show just enforced my fear of (some)
cops and civilians with weapons

A little rebellion is good medicine for the government Thomas Jefferson
3 years 47 weeks ago, 11:53 AM

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DSM safety

Sells a sash type banner to identify you as armed/security/CCW/Police. Made of reflective material. I can't say I own one myself, but I've thought about picking one up a couple times for the reasons discussed above. http://www.dsmsafety.com/ccw.html They're $30.

Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. -Thomas Jefferson
3 years 47 weeks ago, 4:49 AM

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depends

CZ SP-01 Tactical 40 S&W, it's a double/single action 17 (tactical Sport Mags) round + 1 = 18 round tack driver, or a Sig 226 Elite 40 with 15 round LEO mags and one in the Chamber = 16 round tack driver.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 47 weeks ago, 4:25 PM

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CZ and Sig

I don't know much about the CZ line up. I will definitely check that one out. I do like the Sig a lot and I think I would levy a vote for that one. Thanks for weighing in and glad to meet you.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 8:21 AM

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how about a grenade

that just says fuck everybody

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
3 years 47 weeks ago, 4:26 PM

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Ka-Boom

done.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 11:23 AM

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I Pick

A Sig, Glock, or a 1911 in .45acp I think that's the best choice. Whatever gun or caliber you use, the combo of marksmanship and a calm steady hand is the key (easier said than done) one well placed .22 could kill someone instantly while winging someone with a .45 won't keep the bullets from flying your way.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 5:04 PM

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I Pick

I like many thing's, But I would pick a 9mm. But I would say he need's to make sure he hit's his target.

3 years 45 weeks ago, 11:16 PM

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rental is a good idea

I rented every gun my local store had. Every big name is makeing good products. We all know that. It's what fells best in your hand. Do you want a external safty or not,ect. I vote for a semi auto because of higher compasity of ammo they hold. I wouldn't want any thing less than a 40. Just because of pure knock down power. Springfield is now makeing the XDm in a 45. It has a match grade barrel and trigger. Good luck

3 years 45 weeks ago, 12:24 AM

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Bring a Kris 45acp personal defense weapon ( can't remember the spelling) but seriously the whole team should be carrying the same sidearm for compatibility, never know when u might need an extra magazine or have to use one of there weapons, everything will be the same as what u are currently carrying

3 years 45 weeks ago, 12:32 AM

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It always goes bang!!!
Make your shots count
means less stray bullets

Yep always a smartass around lol

A little rebellion is good medicine for the government Thomas Jefferson
3 years 44 weeks ago, 9:09 AM

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CCW

I too am former Law Enforcement and I would suggest the S&W CS45 while this gun is not for everyone it's size and weight make it idle for some people. If you have bigger hands this gun is not for you but if you can handle it well it would do a great job doe him.

2 years 32 weeks ago, 7:50 AM

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G19

Glock 19. Proven, adequate, simple, goof-proof, inexpensive. If he's transitioning from a wheelgun, the Glock will make it simpler than a leverbuttonflipperflapperclapper setup like the standard sidearms from HK, SIG, et al (their LEM and DAK variants would also be a contender).

Good 9mm ammo can be had in a very wide penetration range, which some feel is critical in the EP/BG role. It's also less expensive than most other sidearm calibers.

Keep his snub as a backup.

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