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3 years 48 weeks ago, 10:16 PM

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I thought I'd gather some opinions on the following options for my next handgun purchase. I've included some of my thoughts on the pros and cons of these various options for purchase. 1911 is first because of the wealth of different models-if I decide on that option I have to pick a manufacturer.

Handgun #1
1911-specifically a PT-1911 from Taurus, R1 from Remington (if they ever actually hit the stores in my part of the country), or a Kimber Tactical II.

Pros: Most common .45 in existence in America, wealth of after market modifications. Some of my relatives carried prior models in WWII, so there's some family history here too.

Cons: Already have a .45, although this could also be considered a pro in some ways, as this means I also have plenty of ammo for said firearm.

All 3 listed 1911's have 5 inch barrels.

Model Pros/Cons:

PT-1911, 1-191101-B1, Taurus:
32 oz weight, 8 round magazine

Pros: Reasonably priced in comparison with most 1911 models ($550-$600). Incorporates an underbarrel rail for acessory mounts. Textured grips available in HamsterW's Punisher model (Here's a new pro for today! I usually prefer function over form, but my God man, those grips are awesome! As a side note, also found a lacquered 24 karat gold inlaid set of grips with the Punisher logo-$250 bucks if you like that sort of flash. I'll settle happily for the textured black and whites at $45 though.) I've had the opportunity to shoot one of these, it fit my hands well and shot well at the range.

Cons: Brazilian manufacturer, sometimes derided as a cheap knock-off-other times called an amazingly accurate firearm for the price range.

Remington R1:
7 round magazine.

Pros: Historical manufacturer of the 1911, just coming back into the market. Reasonable price range (~$650). Marketed as a solid entry level 1911 without a lot of frills. American manufacturer.

Cons: I've never shot one. None on the local gun store shelves except for one display model. At least one competitive shooter (Chip McCormick) has given this model a less than stellar review. No rail mount.

Kimber Tactical II:
40 oz weight-7 round magazine.
Pros: This pistol seems to get consistently good feedback in reviews, especially in regard to accuracy. Incorporates rail mount. American manufacturer. KimPro II finish. Steel Frame gives this one a 40 oz weight.

Cons: Price-I can nearly buy two of either of the aforementioned 1911's for the same price as one entry level Tactical II-best price I've found so far for a new one is ~$950+25 dollar transfer fee for a Kimber Custom TLE-RL II.

Summary-Of the three listed in the 1911 category, I'm leaning toward the Taurus, best price/weight/capacity/feature set of the three, and the only one I've had any range time with. I'm a little sour on the Remington at this point, not sure if I want to pay the extra money for the Kimber or not. I'd be willing to spend the extra money if the gun is significantly better than the other two though.

Handgun #2:
Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum Revolver
6" barrel, 6 rounds, 45 oz.

Pros: I don't own a wheelgun, and consider this an unsightly hole in my collection of lead slingers. Utility of being able to fire .38 and .357 rounds from the same firearm. Reliable weapon due to being a revolver. Ruger's revolvers also have an excellent reputation for functionality and accuracy at a reasonable price (~$460+$25 transfer fee). I have had the chance to shoot one of these at the range, no problem with the out of the box grips.

Cons: Heavy, making it a less than satisfactory carry gun, although it does help with recoil. I don't have a ready stockpile of .38 or .357 ammo, meaning this weapon also requires an investment in ammo, which offsets some of the price benefit, although the ammo is reasonably priced compared to what I pay for .45 ACP. No rail mount.

Handgun #3
Beretta 92A1 (or M9A1) 9mm
4.9" barrel, 10 round magazine, 33.9 oz

Pros: Well known 9mm, the new model incorporates a rail mount. Noted for accuracy and has slightly better capacity than the other options listed. Ammunition reasonably priced compared to .45 ACP. Big pistol grip that some complain about actually fits me well, as I have larger hands (I've had several gun store jockeys complain about this facet of the handgun-never even occurred to me that it might be a problem.) Realiability of the weapon is well-known. Price range is reasonable (~$635-$700) for what many consider to be a top notch weapon in this caliber. I have a reasonable supply of 9mm ammunition already on hand.

Cons: Already own a 9mm.

So, there it is. Were you making this theoretical choice, which would you purchase first? Note that I will own all three of these eventually (although probably not all 3 1911s). Feel free to throw in your 2 cents as desired. Thanks!

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 10:32 PM

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If you go for the Taurus 1911 just keep in mind you might need to have a gunsmith work on the trigger for it to be really smooth. At least that is what I have been reading.

If you don't already own a wheel gun consider getting the 357. I have never shot that particular ruger but wheelguns are great tools.

I am not a big fan of how the 92 family of guns fits my hands and therefore have had a hard time shooting them. But they are proven weapons and are popular.

What pistol do you already own? And I guess the most important question is what is your intention for the gun? If it is for a backup to your primary gun, then go for another 45. If it is for the hell of it and for fun then its more of a toss up.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 7:02 AM

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rock ridge makes a great 1911 around 450
pros: switch out the grips for ones that say colt and you have an 1000 dollar gun

3 years 48 weeks ago, 9:35 AM

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Have you considered a Springfield GI 1911?

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 9:45 AM

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Hey Doom Guard

I have shot the Taurus line of .357 and they are a very fine weapon. I would stick with the 1911 or the 357 revolver which hold seven rounds and is not all that heavy

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 12:01 AM

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Mattitude:
I have a Ruger P345PR and an SR9c for the .45 and 9mm mentioned earlier. Both of these guns were purchased due to carry suitability and because they meet legality requirements in pretty much every state in the US that allows carry. This does leave me in the unenviable position of carrying two different calibers if I carry the SR9c as backup, however. Were I to purchase a 1911, it's conceivable that I may choose to carry the 1911 and relegate the P345PR to backup status in the Free States. I doubt I would carry the Ruger GP100-it's a pretty big gun for carry, I don't think I could conceal it well. I don't think that I would go to carrying the Beretta and the SR9c, although that would also solve the ammunition compatibility problem. I'd rather have the stopping power of a .45 for my carry piece.

bigjake: Do you have a link to Rock Ridge's website perhaps? I looked around a bit this morning and was unable to locate the firearm you mentioned.

Snake: Yes, I have also looked at the Springfield GI .45. The basic GI is certainly in an acceptable price range at $535-$650, and based on the feedback I've got asking around on it is probably superior to the R1 and PT-1911 in terms of accuracy. Springfield also makes an Operator series which has the rail mount, skeletonized hammer, etc. This line puts the price range back into the $950-$1050 price range of the Kimber, which is reasonable as I understand that the Operator series is comparable to the Kimber. The GI certainly looks like a reasonably priced model that has been stated to be an accurate pistol. I would consider either of these models as well.

jeffashbyjr: I've also shot the Taurus 66 line of .357 revolver, and I didn't have any issues with that one either. In fact, I would have purchased one about 2 months ago that was turned in used at one of my local gunshops at the eminently reasonable price of $280-the gun looked like it had barely been used, only wear I could find was a little holster wear on the barrel. Unfortunately, the original owner showed up at the store 30 minutes before I got there and bought it back. Apparently he didn't want to part with it as much as he originally thought. A new model 66 runs ~$400, so this would be a more economical choice, but I'd pay the extra $85 to buy from a company headquartered in the US. The Taurus does have a better round count and is five ounces lighter at 40, so you do have some valid points there in favor of the Taurus .357.

Another factor in favor of the revolver is that my wife has difficulty with the racking the slide on most semi-automatics. That leaves her running the 870 Express in a home defense scenario with my current collection. She can, however, rack the slide on the PT-1911 mentioned earlier. I believe this may not be a concern eventually, as she does seem to be getting better at this with practice.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 11:59 AM

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my opinion

The Kimber is far and away the better of the three 1911's mentioned. I realize it costs more, but you get what you pay for (the upgraded trigger and barrel alone are worth the price increase)... until you get into the $3k nighthawks, les baers, and custom wilsons etc.. Those are nice, but you're paying for the name at that point.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 12:32 PM

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Yes i have heard of the Operator,I dont know the details but I am gonna look it up and read a review or two. Another 1911 series you may be interested in is the SIG Sauer GSR.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 1:54 PM

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I have shot two of the three 1911s listed Taurus and the Kimber.......my opinion is to get the Taurus. It is probably the best entry level 1911 on the market.......it has the best trigger I have felt on a stock gun, and has a lifetime warranty. My buddy has one that is a tack driver, that has not had one problem and has around 1000 rds through it. I'am going throught the same problem as you, but I've got it narrowed down to the Beretta 92, Taurus PT-1911!

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 6:26 PM

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I gotta go with Snake on this if you go for a 1911. Look at the Springfield GI's

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 9:01 PM

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Reaper: Thanks for your input, I'll take that into consideration. One of my uncles has a Kimber that he likes quite a bit, but since he flies up when he visits I haven't had a chance to shoot it. I've looked at Les Baer's Boss and the other two high end 1911's that you mentioned, but I've got a tough time rationalizing the price for any of those $3K pieces.

Shakleford: The Taurus worked fine for me at the range last summer, price on those compared to feature set is hard to beat-lifetime warranty doesn't hurt either. (Maybe I will have to get two of them after all).

Raz: That's 2 for the Springfields-do you think the Operators are superior to the Kimber or are they roughly in the same class?

Thanks for your input for those who have replied, so far the 1911 seems to be well in the lead, a couple votes for the .357 revolver, and the Beretta getting very little love.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 10:21 AM

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I have a springfield and I've never had any problems with it. It started out as a mil spec. I did a lot of trigger work on it, added a mag well, beavertail, match barrel, adjustable night sights, full size guide rod and spring etc... it ended up costing more than if I would have bought one already loaded from the factory. Its a great piece, and I've never had any issues after a couple hundred round break in period, but if I was going to do it again, I would buy a loaded springfield or kimber to save a little $$.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 4:35 PM

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Doomguard..

I don't believe that the Operators are superior to Kimber, but they are not inferior either. A lot of people wrongly believe that if you pay more for a 1911 you get a "better" or more reliable or shooting firearm. While that may be the case in other firearms, I've never noticed that with 1911's. The GI model is a basic 1911 meaning that it doesn't have all the bells and whistles as a Kimber or a Mil Spec Model. I agree with Reaper308 in that if you want a match barrel, adjustable sites ect, you'd be better off buying a Mil Spec version of the GI. Kimbers and Mil Spec's are more "finished" meaning more polished. The Standard GI is a rough rugged model more in line with the original runs. But they are just as reliable and just as dependable. It really is a matter of taste...

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 11:06 PM

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I have a Colt 1911 built in 1913. It will eat anything I feed it. It is a military surplus pistol from WWI so I am guessing it has close to 500k rounds through it, and it is still shooting. The sights are the originals so it is hard to shoot compared to modern iron sights, they are the round dovetail style with the very short post. I agree with Reaper, Kimber is a nice all around 1911. I use both styles, polymer and 1911. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. The one Kimber I did not like to shoot was the compact carry, I think it is called the crimson trace. It just did not fit me.

I have a differing opinion on weapons that a lot of people. The concealed weapon (usually a pistol) is only going to be employed to save your life or the lives of your loved ones. I am not counting time at the range. The weapon one chooses to defend themselves with should not plant any doubts in the operators head. If you feel the most comfortable with a Kimber 1911 style pistol, that is your weapon. My wife has the same problem you mentioned about yours. She is a good shot, but handling the weapon to load, unload, clear malfunctions, etc. causes her problems. These problems grow exponentially during times of stress. So we are still looking for a weapon suitable for my wife.

I recommend you stop looking at the price tag and find the weapon that you find the most comfortable; however, I would stay with names that are tried and true. If you are in a life threatening situation, the 'bad guy' will not care what pistol you defend yourself with, the holster you use, your underwear style, etc. The 'bad guy' is only after one thing. You have to be ready to defend yourself.

I hope that does read as a ramble.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 2:41 PM

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Excellent

That is an Excellent write...

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 1:06 AM

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I hear ya

As I said earlier, I'm not opposed to laying down more cash for a pistol that is superior to another or my existing model. The P345PR that I do have functions well-I've never had a failure to feed or fire with that gun except with one particular ammo brand (HSM, if you're curious). So I do think that the .45 I have is pretty reliable-but I haven't shot another pistol in this caliber extensively, although I've put a few rounds through the Taurus noted above. I didn't really consider carrying a gun until I got married-up until that point I figured I could handle most problems with my fists if they arose, but getting married really changed my perspective on self defense. So did running a thief out of my garage with my 12 gauge a couple years back. My bad if I'm giving the impression that I'd rather pay less for a lesser firearm. On the other hand, I'd rather not pay more for the same quality firearm that I could purchase for less.
I am comfortable with the .45 I currently own, but as it's the only .45 I own, I'm not above considering that a different pistol might fit me better. I'd also like to find one that my wife can utilize more effectively so it's possible that whatever I buy might end up as hers. I've also considered making some modifications to the P345 to improve a bit upon the original design (match grade barrel, NP3 coating, sight replacement) which I consider to be a no frills design with a good set of safety features. It took me about a year to decide on the P345-and it does "feel" right when I grasp it or shoot it.
I've been reading a lot of gun reviews in the last few years both on the net and in various firearm publications. I quickly noted that certain publications seem to give every gun a thumbs up, some are more discerning-the same can be said for the various salesmen I've encountered at the local gun stores. One of the guys that I talk to at one of the local shops is an ex-sheriff from around here, and quite frankly he's got the same mind that both Clint, Reaper, Snake, and Raz are saying in regard to the 1911. Kimber or Springfield would be the best options in this class. I'm pretty sold that it's going to be the Kimber Custom TLE-RL II, although I may take a longer look at the Springfields as well. Thanks for your input on this gentlemen! I imagine I'll pick this one up sometime in February, I'll post a pic once I've got it. Better get off to bed though-my 6 o clock wake up call arrives in 4 hours and it snowed like crazy here today-six inches of the white stuff followed by drizzle. Driving's going to be fun tomorrow.

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3 years 48 weeks ago, 6:48 PM

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If you are looking for a wheelgun and you don't want to invest in a different caliber, maybe have a look at the S&W 625 or 325.
These are both in 45 ACP and could be what you're looking for. The 625 is a great range and competition gun, but if you're looking to carry the 325 might be more suiteable.

3 years 48 weeks ago, 10:35 AM

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 11:03 PM

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Not a PT1911

I would have to agree with everyone who said you get what you pay for. Everything I have heard from people that have bought a Taurus PT1911 has been terrible. I work at a gunshop, and you would not believe how many people look at that taurus and say, I have one, it sa piece of shit, or my buddy has one, and it jams all the time, or my buddy has one, and the damn thing broke. Id would stay, no run, away from a Taurus PT1911 my friend. As far as a Ruger 357 I am all for it, as well as the Beretta 92. Both are fine weapons.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 8:59 PM

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I would go with a Springfield 1911 A!. You can get one of these for aroudn 700-800 dollars and they are flawless. They never have any problems and are accurate right out of the box. One of my favorite guns to shoot.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 10:37 AM

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I wasn't gonna try to push my ways on ya, but o what the hell! Buy an HK45 or HK45c! They are untouched in the tactical 45 catagory. Far superior to any glock or xd or m&p. HK is where its at.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 10:46 AM

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What are you basing your statements on? "They are untouched in the tactical 45 catagory. Far superior to any glock or xd or m&p."

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 8:26 PM

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clintlebo wrote:
What are you basing your statements on? "They are untouched in the tactical 45 catagory. Far superior to any glock or xd or m&p."

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I am basing my statements on the fact that I own them, and H&K weapons are far superior. I have reviews on them on my page, read them. I am not going to type out all the info here. If you really want to know what makes them better, I have it posted for you to see.

Just to name a few:
Ambi mag and slide release, better sights, HK and Glock have Polygonal rifling with cold hammer forged steel barrels while XD do not. HK and XD have steel guide rod while glocks do not. See a pattern? While some pistols have one thing or the other that is slightly better, HK has them all. HK offers a lot more in the grip department than a glock does. Reliability is second to none. Recoil reduction system in HK and if you havent shot an HK than you dont know what I am talking about because it does reduce recoil. I can go on and on. Dont get me wrong, I like glocks and xd's I just think HK are higher quality. I HAD glocks and xd's, now I HAVE H&K pistols. That pretty much says it all. Like I said, I have a full in depth review on an HK45c in my profile page. LOOK

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 9:55 AM

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Please do not mistake my questioning of your knowledge about Hk brand firearms with ignorance. You do not need to capitalize an exclamation, it will not make me mosey on over to your review any faster. Your comments are still based on your opinion, true there are manufacturing process that are superior to others, but in the end, what we as gun owners are trying to accomplish is self preservation. I carry a weapon to protect my family. I will never choose the time to employ the system, the criminal will always choose for me. I have to be comfortable with the weapon I choose during times of extremely high stress. If I am wrong, someone I love is dead. If the HK brand of firearms fills that niche in your life so be it. Are the HK45 and HK45C excellent weapons, yes. Can you accomplish the same thing with a glock, yes, an M&P, yes, a 1911 style pistol, yes.
LBC stated in a different post that with the money saved by purchasing a different weapon, he could also buy the necessary accoutrements to carry concealed. That is also a factor in decided what is "best" for the end user.

From: http://www.gunslot.com/reviews/heckler-and-kochs-p30-one-size-fits-all-s...

LBC stated: " I would not feel undergunned with a Glock for any situation and for the cost difference(about 300 dollars) I could buy a Glock,extra mags,holster,and some ammo.But i would also say that the HK P30 is a fine weapon,and a 300 dollar difference will quickly be replaced by the cost of ammo to shoot either gun,therefore any gun you buy,you had better train with,preferably a lot."

You responded: "First off, I do agree to some extent. However, are you saying that glock knowingly creates their guns to a certain price point and then stops? Im not so sure about that. Why would someone halt their design at a price point when they know of ways to improve it. That just doesnt make any sense."

The logic stated here would dictate that HK should use tritium sights, because they are superior to the sights that come with the HK45. A price point is decided on for marketing. HK has also decided on a price point. When the HK45 series is built in the USA we will see if tritium sights are available stock for the same price. As it is now, tritium is a controlled substance in Germany, leading to the use of the light reactive sights currently in production.

If I had the money allocated for a pistol purchase I would seriously consider an HK45, I enjoy my USP45, it is extremely reliable. I have tested it in the snow, mud, sweat, heat, and rain; performed flawlessly. Opinions vary, and saying one pistol is superior to another because you own one is, well, biased at best.

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3 years 47 weeks ago, 11:31 PM

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Interesting Selection

This is an interesting selection, especially given that the option for the Colt 1911 Clone is split 3 ways and they are a little different from one another.

If I were deciding among these options, I would have to say I would purchase the Kimber Tactical II and here's why.

1. I would select a 1911 because it is far more than just a gun, it is an icon in the gun community. For me, one of the best parts of owning a gun is discussing its subtle nuances, idiosyncrasies, history and its value to me as an owner. 1911s are a whole gun category unto themselves (illustrated by the fact you provided us with three choices for your 1911 option, but did not do so for the other two options). The 1911's history, variants and how I choose to set mine up as it evolves during my ownership of the gun will provide hours of discussion as well as tons of enjoyment.

2. I will definitely choose the Kimber Tactical II over the PT 1911 and the R1 because of build quality. Holding a Kimber and actuating the slide just feels right to me. The tolerances for the fitment of the parts make it feel as mechanically sound as a bank vault door. Additionally, I believe the trigger break on the Kimber feels like it has already been to a gun smith. The PT 1911 is 38 ounces which is only 2 ounces lighter than the 40 ounce Kimber. The Kimber also has a supple feel to the edges which have had the majority of the hard corners knocked off. The R1 is just too new for me to feel confident in the product. There are far too many products on the market that have proven themselves for me to allow the R1 a seat at the table at this time and in this decision.

3. There is no way I would let the stock magazine capacities enter into this decision. Regardless of what I purchase, I would replace the stock mags because they are all inferior to magazine products like the Wilson Combats, Mec-Gars and Chip McCormicks.

I personally own the Kimber Custom TLE/RL II which is very similar to the Kimber Tactical II you are researching. It is one of my most favorite possessions and I don't regret spending the extra moolah.

Regardless of what you pick up, I'm sure you will enjoy it because this is a great list to select from and they are all loads of fun! Good luck and keep us posted on your decision.

3 years 47 weeks ago, 10:21 AM

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Location:
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1911

I am leaning towards a Springfield GI 1911.

3 years 44 weeks ago, 7:52 AM

runawaygun762

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Join Date:
Nov 2008
Location:
Richland, MO, United States

The Kimbers have all the "custom" touches without a huge custom price tag. If I ever defile my gun safe with a 1911 (I probably will some day), it'll be the Kimber Desert Warrior

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
3 years 44 weeks ago, 1:24 PM

KS101010

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Colonel
Points:
120
Join Date:
Jan 2011
Location:
Delray Beach, Florida, United States

Kimber by far! I have been saving up for one for quite some time but I know in the end the extra money will be worth it. Good luck in your hunt!

3 years 39 weeks ago, 7:59 AM

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Join Date:
Feb 2011
Location:
CLIFTON PARK, NEW YORK, United States
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