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4 years 5 weeks ago, 2:47 PM

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I started thinking about Country Joe and the Fish today.. first time in 30/40 years.. anyone in SE Asia durring that time would always sing along, laugh at, or kid each other with this one, and no matter how rough they had it (and most had it a LOT rougher than me) this was a hoot;

"and its a one two three what are we fighting for, and its five six seven open up the pearly gates, hey i don't give a damn, get outa that vietnam".

I started this post, and got about here and broke down.. what was a trivia question became a tear jerker for me.. I don't think they'd want that.. but i sure wish i could tell 58,000 plus great guys and a few gals what they died for..

All of those who served know what im talking about.. Most everyone has a reason, but was it worth it, guess will never know, but i know none of us who came home will ever forget those who didn't.. and please God know i wasn't in the danger most were.. This isn't about being a Nam vet, its about those who gave all..

So for all of them in heaven (and guys they are) who ask that question.. Guys this ones for you; .. Yell this fucker out... AND ITS A ONE TWO THREE WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR!! and its FIVE SIX SEVEN OPEN UP THE PEARLY GATES.. I guess i don't give a damn.. GET OUTA THAT VIETNAM!!

Lucky (and in edit; any other vet) don't know how your doing but ive got tears and snot going on here buddy..

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 2:57 PM

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Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Vietnam
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Viet Cong.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Now you can go out and get those reds
'Cause the only good commie is the one that's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
Come on fathers, and don't hesitate
To send your sons off before it's too late.
And you can be the first ones in your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
4 years 5 weeks ago, 4:58 PM

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The shit you folks went through had some positive effects for us younger guys. I can tell you now that I still feel humbled and even get a bit misty-eyed when I remember hitting the airport in Bangor, Maine on the way home from OIF 1 and DFW when coming home for mid-tour leave in OIF 3 and OIF 06-08 (Don't know why they didn't just call it OIF 5). People were literally lined up from the arrival gate to the main terminal waiting to shake out hands. In Texas, there were two fire engines shooting arcs of water over the plane as it taxied in. Local schools were let out so the kids could welcome us home. This compared to being insulted or even attacked with spit and punches that some of the Vietnam vets had to look forward to. I nearly lost it in Maine when a guy with a Vietnam Veteran hat shook my hand and thanked me.

Now, I have seen and done things that no human being should ever have to see and do. I have not, by any stretch of the imagination, seen or done as much as many of my fellow servicemembers, but it's been difficult to deal with at times. But here's this guy, a fellow warrior from an earlier generation (The Norse called their old warriors Greybeards) thanking me for my service. I felt very humbled and even a bit ashamed. But I understand it. A lot of these guys experienced open contempt from their countrymen and will do whatever they can to ensure younger warriors don't experience that.

When I'm back in the states, I LOVE seeing someone wearing a WW2, Korea, Vietnam, or Desert Shield/Storm veteran hat, especially if I'm in uniform. I love approaching them first and shaking their hand and saying "Thank you for your service". With all the focus on servicemembers of my generation, it's awfully easy to overlook that old, fat guy in the wheelchair with the hat on that has all those funny-looking pins in it. I had a man grab my hand with both of his and you could tell he was close to getting blurry-eyed when I held the door for him at a buffet place and said thanks for your service.

My recommendation for anyone, military or civilian, is to be active in your thanks. If you see a person wearing a veteran hat or jacket, all it takes is for you to stick out your hand, look him in the eye, and say "Thank you for your service". No long conversation needed, no awkward standing there trying to think of something else to say, just a quick thanks and back on your way. I GUARANTEE that will stay with that vet the rest of the day and if nothing else, you've made the day a little better for a fellow citizen with no investment other than a few words and a physical gesture.

My son is three and already calls all of my soldiers that he's met "uncle" or "aunt" because they're my brothers and sisters. He'll grow up knowing to show respect to our servicemembers, and I can't wait to take him to one of the veterans' homes so he can do some volunteer work

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
4 years 5 weeks ago, 5:01 PM

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know it by heart

whoopee,we're all gonna die.

No reason to get excited,the thief he kindly spoke,there are many here among us,who feel that life is but a joke.

funny how songs can define events,and fuck cosby,stills,nash ,and young,lmfao

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 5:05 PM

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when we had thousands of POWs in N. Vietnam's prisons. I understand the sentiment of this particular song, but I hate and detest the overall attitude of the time.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
4 years 5 weeks ago, 5:17 PM

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yeah shuy

everybody shit on the servicemen,cuntry joe and CSNY,Jane fuckin fonda,the people in Oceanside and san clemente were pricks,I got in a fist fight at Disneyland for christ sakes with a couple hippie smart mouths,did you know the keystone cops are security there,i d

bye the way,jimi Hendrix was airborne

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 5:06 PM

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As a citizen. No service record.
I want to thank YOU for the above comments.
I see these vets daily, on and off the job. I always have doubts, (what will the old man think?")
If I am reading you right, young and old, male and female will be made a little stronger and a little prouder if I, Joe citizen, will take a few seconds from my "busy schedule" and say "Thanks for your service".
Yes or no, that's all I need. But I want to hear from all vets and current military on here.
(not that run's word aint good enough, I just want all relevant opinions)
THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY!

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
4 years 3 weeks ago, 6:38 PM

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Vaq

Yes Brother Vaq, Yes.

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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Vaq, yes

And the other benefit is that others who might otherwise be reluctant to say what's in their heart will see your courage and maybe find some of their own.

I know you said "yes or no", but I feel the need to elaborate on one thing. Older people get overlooked by us younger, busy people. Many of those old, decrepit people we see every day have amazing stories, whether civilian or military. Seeing an old warrior with a WW2 veteran hat that has a Screaming Eagle and a CIB pin on it doesn't say much to most, but it tells me he was part of an elite unit in some of the most brutal fighting of the war. These old guys deserve recognition, even if it's just an informal handshake and it amazes me how stong some of these "frail" old guys' grips can be when someone thanks them for services rendered decades ago. I promise that you'll see that decrepit old man's spine straighten just a bit, or he'll sit just a bit taller in his wheelchair as you remind him that his service, the defining time in many of their lives so many years ago, still hasn't been forgotten

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 6:56 PM

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Few years ago I attended a party where a friend of my daughter's, Sally, was married to an E-6. He and I were talking and he was telling me about his experiences in Iraq and how he was a "warrior," (which I do not doubt.) I saw my father-n-law across the patio, 85 years old, a genial old man. He retired a Colonel and was in artillery in WW II and Korea, where he was badly hurt. He was in Africa and D-Day both, couldn't hear shit because of the guns. He actually met Patton and gave him some lip before D-Day. I turned to Juan and said,

"You see that old guy over there?" Yeah, he says.

"He fought Rommel," I said. "Go over and introduce yourself."

This guy (about your age, I guess, since an E-7,) went over and shook hands with Granddad, then sat down for a conversation. That one brought tears to my eyes.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
4 years 5 weeks ago, 7:12 PM

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I got hit with a lot of stuff while typing that post.. i really was blowing snot there at the end..

Guess i want to thank Dave.. When i saw your avatar i thought man i hope this isn't some irrelevat bs comment. What Runs did was sorta knock it out of the ball park for all of us. Thanks guy..

We don't talk much about it, meant what i said about not being in a lot of danger, but we did lose two (12 men each) CACs .. thats nav speak for combat air crew.. Both were from small arms (meaning not SAMs).. This was doing operation market time.. which was just coast patrol for junks carrying weapons south..

I had only been with the Squadron (VP-26) for about 6 months before we deployed, so while i knew them, shared a few beers etc, it wasn't like what guys who really live with each other in the boonies as a squad dealt with..

Gloria just called.. dinner is ready.. so am i.. see ya all later..

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 8:04 PM

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Thank you Dave,

we all 'serve' in one way or another, as we are all Patriots, some 'have' served and some 'will' serve, no matter ones age......It's never too late, especially in modern times, I will serve again, you can mark my words....Semper Paratus!

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 8:09 PM

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enlist today and do a good job. Maybe not so much with the obstacle course, but a support job and I'd jump on it. I believe the service should create some sort of third tier for people who are no longer young, but have a good work ethic, are patriotic, and are willing to serve. I wouldn't even care what the pay was. I have plenty. Make me an E-3. I don't care. Just let me contribute.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
4 years 5 weeks ago, 9:45 PM

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When OIF1 started,

my dad had already retired. He went back to the recruiter's office and tried to do just that. He said he didn't give a shit where they put him, as long as he could support the war. He's a Desert Shield/Storm vet and felt that it was his generation's war and wanted to help finish what they started in 1991. Of course the recruiter told him he was too old and too fat. I told him he had his chance and not to worry, that I'd carry the family name into Baghdad since he couldn't.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
4 years 5 weeks ago, 10:08 PM

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After 9/11

I went almost nuts. I went to the Army recruiter's and said, here I am. I have experience with this shit. Take me, and let a young guy alone. He has his life ahead of him, and it's downhill for me. I already know what I'll do when the shit hits the fan, and if something happens, fuck it, I've had a pretty full life already. I had money saved, so my wife would be OK, and we had a house. Well, I was 62, and insulin dependent diabetic. They weren't very impressed - to put it mildly. My best friend in TX was 64, and he didn't impress them any more than I did.
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4 years 5 weeks ago, 12:54 AM

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ha

funny,i did the same thing,i wonder how many recruiters run into that,i bet all of them.

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 1:21 AM

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Same here lucky..

We were car pooling to Florence, and the meeting point was in north Tucson.. Bout 3 months before it looked like it was going to happen this was early 1990 i went up early and walked in uniform (DOCs) into the recruiters office.. i missed the age by like 18 months.. They have since changed it, but then it was 4 years credit but still based on max age of 36 i just missed it.

The recruiter (navy of course) said this was common for vietnam vets and he was getting tired of turning them down..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.

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