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3 years 13 weeks ago, 11:01 PM

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Why is it ???

Why is it that the 4th amendment was dealt a serious blow this week, and all I freakin hear about is the "Govinaters" baby?

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 2:31 AM

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link?

I think i know what your talking about but i have been busy this week.

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 7:03 AM

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4th Amendment

I am unfamiliar with the concern you have introduced, please explain.

thanks ronin

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 7:25 AM

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Not the best link...

But will let you get started and then decide for yourself after reading more. It was State of Kentucky VS. King. This is just the first link I pulled up.
http://blogs.forbes.com/benkerschberg/2011/05/17/supreme-court-upholds-w...

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 7:39 AM

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At some point there should be a common understanding that it all boils down to right and wrong. No gray areas when your breaking the law and your caught out doing it no matter how it is discovered leading to your arrest, your busted. No question about how it was done...

Insanity in action....

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 7:44 AM

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ISD,Clarify please...

You dis-agree with my thoughts that this opens the door to loss of the 4th amendment, or dis-agree with the courts decision. Your reply seemed a bit vauge to me. LOL!

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 8:01 AM

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When did it become the goal of the courts to protect criminals from Justice rather than Law Abiding Citizens from criminals?

I mean seriously....

"Yo, judge, I mean dude, ya know, we was smoking a dude and this Cop, like he comes through the door and we like jump up and start flushing these premo buds and , huh? oh, yeah, and Bobbys X too , man that was some spenive stuff, ya know> anyway, how come they did that man, like isn't it against our rights?"

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 8:02 AM

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There should never have been the ability for them to make any case law with this.

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 8:10 AM

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Ishootdaily wrote:
There should never have been the ability for them to make any case law with this.

No arguement from me. a waste of our tax dollar. And I believe this did truely fall under exigent circumstances.

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 8:07 AM

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I understand what your saying and I do agree, but I don't think this decision was right. Screw the pot-head, I care less about him. HOWEVER, I feel that the idea of checks and balances is a good one, and I feel that this gives LEO's to much power. What is that saying, " Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". I have a great admiration for our law enforcement comunity, but as with every group, you get the bad apples with the good. You have no idea how many times I've seen this. You take a basically good kid, give him a gun and the power to use it in a martial state, and it goes to their head. They start to become immune to the human rights of others. This ruling is to much, IMHO.

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 9:06 AM

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Still, I do not see any real impact upon the 4 th by what is described in the article. The Police gained no new powers that they did not already have.

Reasonable Doubt was met with smelling the weed to begin with. As it was, if they had walked past the front window and saw the people inside passing around a Shotgun at that point a warrant would not be needed. All it does is remove any gray area between seeing and smelling being acceptable grounds for reasonable doubt.

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 12:41 PM

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Ronin, ISD

Ronin, I agree with you on this. This is one I think that Ginsberg made a better decision. Of course, I think that her decision was more along the lines like ISD is talking about, protecting criminals from "The man" than any kind of concern with preserving the Republic our Founders provided.
I know what you're getting at ISD. I feel the same way most of the time. I get sick of hearing about murderers and rapists getting off because some technicality. The Miranda thing is absolutely stupid. And I don't mean someone shouldn't be informed of their rights. But for someone who is clearly guilty of a crime to get off scott free because of a procedural error is ridiculous.
Personally, I think the way it should work is that if a criminals rights are violated, that does't absolve him/her of their crime or negate it in any way. It means two crimes were committed and the law enforcement or other officer that violated their rights should be investigated.
But I think where Ronin and I agree is that this is another example of our rights and/or liberties being eroded away little by little. Sure, now it's drug dealers. But then it's the ATF kicking in our doors because they swore they heard us drilling a receiver? This is one of those cases that I chalk up some of these seemed absurdities to another one of the many costs of freedom.
All that being said, if we had more of those freedoms and liberties that have long ago vanished, the community could deal with many of its problems itself and have the judgment for its actions reserved to within.

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3 years 13 weeks ago, 1:38 PM

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