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6 years 7 weeks ago, 1:28 AM

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I can't believe, especially on this site there is such ignorance displayed when open carry is mentioned, Ok for those of you who are too stupid to think for yourselves (you know who you are) the ones who in spite of the traffic signal at the intersection still require an officer's assistance to safely pass through, And the people that know after stopping at a red light, you may turn right when safety permits yet do not budge until the light changes to green.
The answers are the same,"IT IS PERMISSiBLE UNDER THE LAW" Dumbass!
Open carry also is necessary to maintain the freedom associated with the second ammendment of the constitution of the United States of America and the people therein, not to mention one's personal responsibility to protect self and family. I would have said God given right but I'm sure that would open up a whole new can of crap for some, so for now let's just focus on the open carry thing.
Freedom to some is more than just the ability to keep and bear arms, It is the ability to keep and bear arms without incurring a charge.
I myself hold a concealed carry permit,This is a "privilege" for which I "pay" at the rate of $50.00 for a five year term.
Open carry is a right. A right "established and protected" by our United States constitution and it is the "responsibility" of the people who enjoy this right to "uphold it".
So when I see someone exercising their rights, Openly carrying their firearm in public, I treat them as I would any other American soldier,
I shake their hand and thank them for protecting my freedom. Weather you acknowledge it or not that is what open carry is about.
And though open carry dosen't make your any dick bigger, it does indicate that you know where to put it.
For those who are afraid that someone will slip up behind you if you open carry and use your own weapon against you, may I suggest that should you feel patriotic to the point of action to perserve your rights that you carry both open and concealed.

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 9:39 AM

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open vs. concealed

I agree with you in the fact that:

openly carring firearms keeps it fresh in the public's mind that we have the 2nd ammendment and we are free to practice it. If no one practices their rights... they will be easier to take away. (this is from the standpoint of proving a point and doing something because you CAN, whether others like it or not)

but.......

I believe that carring a weapon in public should be for the cause of protecting yourself and others against deadly threats (i.e. armed robber, spree killer, or any of the other lunatics out there).

Looking at it from this point... how will you be able to protect yourselves and others in the safest manner?

I believe the answer is... If you are carring concealed. If you have a concealed weapon the perp will most likely assume that you are unarmed. this will give you the element of suprise and give you the upper hand, because you can choose when, or if it even necessary to intervene.

On the contrary... if you are carring openly, you will most likely be the first target. the ball will be in the perps court, and you will most likely not have the decision of when to act. most likely, you will be confronted and FORCED to act in order to save yourself or others. You did also bring up the point of someone getting your weapon and using it against you. I don't see this as that big of a problem, if you are properly trained, but never the less, the possibility is still there.

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
6 years 7 weeks ago, 9:48 AM

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Gentlemen, both of you post very good thoughts on open vs concealed. I carry cross draw open & concealed. It eliminates that rearward approach for going for your gun. Awareness to any and all situations is your best pro active defense.
My CCW instructor brought up a very interesting point. In Tucson we have these street fairs and lately, little bangers have been approaching the open carry folks and harrassing them for money, food whatever. Well they have been doing this in sight of LE/Police and if the carrier touches his weapon or points at it, then LE steps in and makes an arrest. This can make you lose your license/right to carry concealed.
So best bet is to carry concealed in these situations and remove that temptation... If I don't have a shirt on then I am open carrying, otherwise it is concealed...
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6 years 7 weeks ago, 8:07 PM

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I can't find any evidence of anyone who was openly carrying being shot by a person of criminal intent,To say this has not happened would be presumptuous of me,perhaps you may know of a link where that sort of thing is mentioned, I would be greatly interested in those statistics.
Personaly I still believe that openly carried arms in general have the same affect as sending the police crusier home with the officer, Though it may not entirly stop crime,It tends to deter crime in the area.
Same principle as the unmaned highway patrol cruiser sitting in the interstate median, people slow down because the threat in their mind is real. Just food for thought, but seriously if you do know of such a link let me know.

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 6:31 AM

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I can read that box a bullets is quite nerved up on a simple question of open carry. The issue of threat, defense and combat aside. I am wondering if this gentleman has strolled the streets of Atlanta, Detroit or Boston with a hip hanger. I suspect he would be jacked up and spread to the wall within 5 blocks walking, or twenty feet when in front of law enforcement. Most Police officers I know take offense when they see anyone with a weapon. I may be wrong but most large towns require a firearms permit to start and then have a series of regulations as to exactly how and when you may transport it. You maybe right about the 2 ammendment but in NewYork city you may be a deadman walking.

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 9:22 AM

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box-
I understand your point as a crime deterant. It makes sense. I still think you would be the first one taken out though. Wolves hunt in packs... so imagine if you were in a convienence store when a gunman rushed in the rob the place. He most likely will have someone else in the store with him, who's sole purpose is to watch his back. At the least he would have a look out or driver. Anyway, there are pros and cons to both, I just feel more comfortable concealed, so when shit does hit the fan, I have the upper hand... rather than the criminals knowing that I'm armed. by the way, I don't have any stats, but I can look into it a little later.

Sak-
Depends on the state. Besides Cali and Ill, most states are less strict with guns laws than NY. As an exampole, in AZ, we don't need any premits, don't need to register firearms, no waiting period, can purchase any weapon we want (need liscense for class 3) etc... I realize that some LEO's may look down upon open carry if you are a thug or blazing idiot (like being under the influence of something etc...), but if you present yourself in a responsible manner and have the correct training, I don't think they seem to mind.

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
6 years 7 weeks ago, 10:28 AM

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So what I read from all this is, the 2nd ammendment is subject to interpretation and restriction by each state and maybe each city or county.
Here in Florida the state is in a process of evolution as more and more folks move from the northeast and north central states and settle here. The unemployed lawyers among them seem to gravitate toward politics and government and begin attempts to change the laws to conform to where they came from.

Liberalism is indeed a "mental disease" to quote a famous American. it seems to gradually creep across this nation with out setting off the alarms.

You folks in Arizona are fortunate indeed. Too bad your famous sheriff Joe Arapico did not run for president.

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 9:25 PM

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Yep sak (your wrong)

A permit is not necessary for open carry where carry is still uninfringed by corrupt politicians and law enforcement,I can tell from your reply though you are relativly young or new to firearms issues in general,You also have somewhat made my point for me,The younger generation has really no idea what rights they are granted under the provisions of the original constitution of the united states of America,The second ammendment being part of that document is law for the entire country, Not a portion thereof, The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. And yes I have open carried in Atlanta with no disruption from law enforcement,Up until ten years ago I open carried everywhere I went, I do agree with all who say there is a tactical advantage to concealed carry, And I somewhat agree with you sak as to the attitude of some not most leo's when they see a legally armed citizen, That in itself is the reason for this forum. There is a city in my community where the officers have violated for the 3rd time now a mans right to carry openly, this having cost the taxpayers a $10,000 settlement after the first violation of his rights, My problem is, if you are a police officer and you don't know my rights, Then you don't know your job, and how many more of my tax dollars will you spend before the proper training is implemented and rights are protected rather than violated. Here is the link, check it out. And welcome to guns lot. www.ravnwood.com/archives/006175.php

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 10:57 AM

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open carry!

cause i can!

6 years 7 weeks ago, 12:41 PM

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I am a permited concealed carrier and feel comfortable being armed and being the only one that knows it. But some people have a Rambo mentality and want to walk around showing their pistol thinking that a criminal will think twice about messing with them. They are WRONG the thug will just blind side or attack with such force that they would never be able to respond. Now I know some of you guy's live in Mayberry but don't let them catch you slippin in the wrongs streets cause you will be in for a rude awakening.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 5:20 AM

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Crusading Knight wrote:
I am a permited concealed carrier and feel comfortable being armed and being the only one that knows it. But some people have a Rambo mentality and want to walk around showing their pistol thinking that a criminal will think twice about messing with them. They are WRONG the thug will just blind side or attack with such force that they would never be able to respond. Now I know some of you guy's live in Mayberry but don't let them catch you slippin in the wrongs streets cause you will be in for a rude awakening.

It's not a Rambo thing, It's a freedom thing. Permits cost money as well as limit who is able to carry after the background check.The second allows for "free" open carry. And again a news artical,a link or something realistic to support those who choose to open carry being attacked by those of criminal intent??? statistics speak for themselves.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 9:28 AM

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But, I don't think they all have a death wish. When Australia was DE-Armed by the Liberals, their crime rate shot up. Why? Because the crriminals had all the guns. You would have to be a complete idiot to attack an armed man. I would like you, Crusading Knight to go out and try it. Let me know the results or at least have a family member attach your obit here.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 9:46 AM

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i agree with you 100 %.I know dudes out there that would take seeing an open carry weapon as a challenge.They love violence as much as pussy.Do you think they give a shit about any rules or laws?They care only about thier reps.I m sure Samd would agree there were parts of Oakland that you would'nt go thru day or night.Same here in Chicago.( I KNOW SAM, BIG SUPRISE)Basically , im saying don't open carry unless you are prepared to use it.Lots of thugs have had guns in thier faces before so it does'nt faze them.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 10:28 AM

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My friends, of course I know what right the 2nd gives us. I certainly know that it has been curtailed by each state to some extent or another. The discussion of open carry is really a discussion of the slippery slope we find ourselves. I am fairly certain my grand kids will never know the enjoyment of owning a firearm. The open carry question is really a challenge to those of you with the time and money to defend our right as citizens.
Boxabullets I salute your efforts and hope you do not despair when the liberals have finally stormed the gates and re define our constitution. The signs are everywhere across all our major institutions, that this will happen. On this Wed we will have a good idea when.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 6:00 PM

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There are criminals that attack police officers and if I'm correct police officers carry guns, so how stupid do you have to be to think a criminal will not attack someone who open carries.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 6:11 PM

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HERE IN CHICAGOLAND, MAYOR DALEY WANTS TO EQUIPT POLICE WITH FULL-AUTO WEAPONS JUST TO KEEP UP WITH THE BANGERS.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 6:15 PM

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Statistiics speak for themselves, Show me some! I have been open carring off and on for 20 years and have yet to be attacked, Just show me the link to earn your respect.FACTS ONLY NO BULLSHIT,
My experiance is only fact for me and yours is no better than mine.
Show my factual statistics or perhaps you are one of the libby plants designated to fuk the people out of another one of their freedoms.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 6:16 PM

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YOU SEE

ebear knows what he is talking about. LISTEN to this man he has common sense.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 6:19 PM

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BOX

NO OFFENSE ,BUT I DON'T WANNA EARN YOUR RESPECT.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 6:35 PM

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Thats right just sidestep the issues you cannot respond to. And no offense but you will never have the mental capacity to earn the respect of anyone of intelligence, But hey thanks for playing libby.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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OK BOX

AND WHO MADE YOU IN CHARGE OF JUDGING MENTAL CAPACITY?YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE ME.......TELL YOU WHAT..........GO CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 6:48 PM

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i rather conceal carry than open carry i live in the chicago area,and their been several attacks on police officers i think open carry could invite trouble by someone could grab your gun or ambush you when your gun showing and your preoccupied or not paying attention to your surroundings i don,t have this problem because i can,t carry nothing do to illinois gun laws

6 years 6 weeks ago, 6:54 PM

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WHERE ABOUTS DO YOU LIVE? IM IN ELGIN.......TELL ME ABOUT IT. WE CAN'T DO SHIT IN ILLINOIS.BUT DO YOU HAVE PROOF TO BACK UP YOUR OPINIONS? ACCORDING TO BOX OF ROCKS IF YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO GIVE AN OPINION.HEY SYTA!!!!!!1 HERE WE GO AGAIN1LOLOL

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 7:06 PM

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what?

so is there and IQ test we have to take before we post comments?

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 7:05 PM

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Should not be practiced by little girls.
This practice is for "REAL AMERICANS" the kind of strong individuals the country was founded on.
I've done the research, I've practiced open carry personally and never been attacked and no I don't live in the backwoods.
I do not break a forum to interject bullsheet that I cannot support.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 7:14 PM

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YOUR WHITE SHEET IS

YOUR WHITE SHEET IS SHOWING...............NOT ONCE DID ANYBODY SAY YOU WERE FROM THE BACKWOODS.BY MISSPELLING BULLSHIT, WHICH IS A PRETTY EASY WORD TO SPELL, YOU MAY BE TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE.BE A MAN AND SAY IT.ARE YOU A STRONG INDIVIDUAL?WE DON'T HAVE OPEN CARRY IN CHICAGO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A BLOODBATH. IM SPEAKING FOR ME , HERE IN CHICAGO. I THINK SOME REAL AMERICANS STILL LIVE HERE.AS FAR AS YOUR FORUM.........IT BROUGHT UP A GOOD TOPIC FOR OPINIONS.THANKS ..I LIKE IT HERE SO I THINK I'LL STAY.WHATCHA GONNA DO ABOUT IT????/ NOTHING!!!!!!!!

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 7:42 PM

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Already did it

Exposed the ignorance associated with the issue, And bullshit was misspelled for your benefit, check your previous post, the one where you misspelled "AN" HAHAHA

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 7:52 PM

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Children, You are all wrong for not asking my opinion in the first place. You should have stopped bickering and throwing snot bubbles at each other a long time ago and asked yourselves WWSD(What Would Syn Do)? My answer would have been "I would stop insinuating he other in non-American because that is a deep insult not to be thrown around lightly and agrue the issue with out bitching moaning and name calling but with opinions stated as such and facts back by resources" This is going to be my new way of commenting from now on...unless someone truly deserves the "poking fun of" then it will always be in good fun. So does anyone else want to jump aboard the High-road express and be my lil-conductor? There is room for all three because I also have the titles lil-engineer and lil-coaljockey. The latter I think would best fit the Mexican since none of us legals want to do it! Besides Smokey the Bear, It take college to be an engineer or conductor, sorry :(

P.S. Box-O-Rocks? Hahaha, you got to admit Box, thats funny!
Dark knight...uuuhhh...I got nothing, sorry

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 7:58 PM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmm

someone calls syta a non american......what would he do?????? who are you bullsheeting!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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HAahahahaha Touche' My

HAahahahaha Touche' My friend Touche'

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