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3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:45 AM

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wildcat science

has anyone here invented and used a wildcat load? im curious how you go about starting a project like that.im not entertaining the idea myself,but have just been thinking about how we end up with all these wildcats.there must be some kind of mathematic equation to safely constructing your own ammo id think.how would someone take something like .50 beowulf or 458 socom and neck it down to 308 without blowing their gun and possibly themself apart on the first shot?

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:01 PM

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Just guessing here

But I think wildcatters always go with a very light load and work their way up to "Damn, that was scary!" And then back it down a little.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 1:51 PM

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wow...i hope not!thats scary to think people just guessingat it.yikes!

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 2:53 PM

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for anyone else interested in this subject,i came up with this company in my quest for knowledge
http://www.clymertool.com/price/index.html
they will cut chamber reamers headspace gauges and all that good stuff.now i just gotta learn about everything leading up to having the tools made.still kinda confused about how you would know what the outcome will be.if you neck a .50 down to .30 with the same powder,does the gun explode?does the longer bullet weighing half as much go 2x faster?this all kinda grabbed me the other day,and i decided id like to learn about it.as i learn more about reloading in general some of this will make more sense im sure,but id like to know if there is a magic math table that will tell you if you can effectively create a new round to do what you want it to do.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 3:12 PM

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Designing & Forming Custom Cartridges.
The Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions
this is probably how i will get the info im looking for.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 3:36 PM

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I've used them, and a lot of common/accepted cartridges started out as 'wildcats'.

The Ackley Improved family is a favorite oddball of mine. I think the toughest and most expensive part would be barrel/chamber reaming, headspacing, etc.

A shortcut is to use sabots....the Remington Accelerator in .30-06 and .30-30 are the only 2 commercial examples I can think of.

As a goof, a friend and I used successively smaller multiple sabots to create the ".22-50 ToolMan" (as in Tim Taylor...MORE POWER). We basically loaded a 55gr .223 bullet into a .50BMG cartridge. We estimated the MV at somewhere between Mach 7 and Warp 9, if the bullet held together.

3 years 4 weeks ago, 4:03 PM

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TXLG *wildcat 50*

I'd like to see that hit a sealed 55 gallon drum of jello!

from a distance of course...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 4 weeks ago, 4:28 PM

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me three

it would probably be frags by that point

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