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5 years 14 weeks ago, 6:39 PM

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Just one day after Scott Browns win and the dems are falling apart and in fighting. Just shows how brave they are when they don't have the majority. ROFLMAO

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WASHINGTON - Chastened by the Democratic Senate loss in the state of Massachusetts, President Barack Obama and congressional allies signaled Wednesday they will try to scale back his sweeping health care overhaul in an effort to at least keep parts of it alive.
A simpler, less ambitious bill emerged as an alternative only hours after the loss of the party's crucial 60th Senate seat forced the Democrats to slow their all-out drive to pass Obama's top domestic priority and reconsider all options.
The 60-vote Senate Democratic majority is needed to overcome Republican procedural obstacles aimed at defeating the legislation
No decisions have been made, lawmakers said, but they laid out a new approach that could still include these provisions: limiting the ability of insurance companies to deny coverage to people with medical problems, allowing young adults to stay on their parents' policies, helping small businesses and low-income people pay insurance premiums and changing government health care for the elderly to encourage payment for quality care instead of sheer volume of services.
Obama urged lawmakers not to try to jam a bill through, but scale the proposal down to what he called "those elements of the package that people agree on."
"We know that we need insurance reform, that the health insurance companies are taking advantage of people," the president said in an interview with ABC News. "We know that we have to have some form of cost containment because if we don't then our budgets are going to blow up. And we know that small businesses are going to need help."
Another option, which called for the House to try to quickly pass the Senate version of the broader bill — bypassing the Senate problem created by the loss of the Massachusetts seat to Republican Scott Brown — appeared to be losing favor.
"That's a bitter pill for the House to swallow," said the No. 2 Senate Democrat, Dick Durbin.
"Full speed ahead is off the table," said Rep. Earl Pomeroy, a moderate Democrat. "We are still very much in the exercise of drawing meaning from the public disquiet."
Nevertheless, the option remained on the table and administration officials were working behind the scenes on the approach that would be the fastest and cleanest route to getting a bill to Obama, said a senior administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to more freely describe private talks.
In the House, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Democratic leaders were gauging support for the idea among liberals and moderates. The initial reaction was not encouraging.
"If you ran that Senate bill right now on the House floor, I'll bet you you would not get 100 votes for it," said Rep. Bart Stupak, a Democrat.
It takes 218 votes to pass legislation. A majority of House Democrats oppose a tax on high-cost insurance plans in the Senate bill that labor unions, a core Democratic party constituency, see as a direct hit on their members. Stupak and other abortion opponents, backed by U.S. Roman Catholic bishops, say the Senate bill falls short in restricting taxpayer dollars for abortion.
A week ago, House and Senate Democrats were working out the differences in their respective bills, and a quick resolution seemed likely. But after Brown's upset victory secured the seat held by the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy for the Republicans, feuding broke out.
Some Democratic senators suggested it was up to the House to save the day by passing the Senate bill.
"The Senate has passed the health care bill. The House has to make a decision how they want to proceed," said Sen. Patty Murray, a Democrat and a member of the leadership.
Republicans said that would make their day.
Trying to push through the Senate bill through would be a desperate ploy seen as such by voters, said Sen. John McCain, a leading Republican and Obama's 2008 presidential rival. "If they try to jam it through the House, they'll pay a very heavy price," McCain said.

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5 years 14 weeks ago, 6:49 PM

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Where the hell are they? Hire some of them foreign Drs, use abandoned/vacant Office space and pass out the drugs.
First thing we need is tort reform, in other words get the lawyer maggots out of our Drs offices and Hospital halls.

5 years 14 weeks ago, 7:00 PM

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Tort reform

would save billions of dollars every year, the majority from doctors not having to perform "defensive medicine" by ordering tests that are not needed. Also, take away the ability of the pharmaceutical industry to prolong patents through new indications or delivery mechanisms. Included in that should be a provision that a drug company can not patent the active enantiomer of a drug who's racemic mixture patent is about to expire. Oh, and no more direct to consumer ads for medications. The last thing the doc needs is for some idiot patient to come in and tell them what drug to prescribe because they've seen it on TV or in a magazine.

5 years 14 weeks ago, 5:50 PM

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kincald

kncald wrote:
would save billions of dollars every year, the majority from doctors not having to perform "defensive medicine" by ordering tests that are not needed. Also, take away the ability of the pharmaceutical industry to prolong patents through new indications or delivery mechanisms. Included in that should be a provision that a drug company can not patent the active enantiomer of a drug who's racemic mixture patent is about to expire. Oh, and no more direct to consumer ads for medications. The last thing the doc needs is for some idiot patient to come in and tell them what drug to prescribe because they've seen it on TV or in a magazine.

i agree there with everything but doctors ordering unnecessary tests,in my experience i can't say i had a test that didn't help the doc determine how to proceede in my treatment.I just wonder why they are so expensive,I've got 13 weeks in intensive care experience to draw from,not counting time spent in a regular room,private or not.Hell the room alone for IC is 5,000 a day.But i can't think of a test that didn't seem like it was a waste of time.

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5 years 14 weeks ago, 7:17 PM

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Amen SAm

That is the most prudent course of action. Get the Lawyers out of everything, they are fucking the country and us on every front!!! Next allow people to buy insurance outside their state...that will create more competition...they should be helping the free market work...not trying to discourage free markets, which is all they have done since getting into office.

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5 years 14 weeks ago, 7:21 PM

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Destroy the free market system and you destroy the "Only" economy "Capitalism" that works.
Show me one other country better off, except China, which we have been systematically sold out too, in better shape.

5 years 14 weeks ago, 7:32 PM

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need healthcare reform. Congress needs to clean up the corrupt mess they created in our health system, including their protection of lawyers. That's about it for reform

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5 years 14 weeks ago, 7:36 PM

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The real problem is

Most of the people in politics are fuckin lawyers.
They are protecting their jobs

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5 years 14 weeks ago, 5:38 PM

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we had a WWF wrestler for a governor and now have a comedian for a senator(funny but not HaHa funny) no lawyers for us,well our other senator is a lawyer,but she has big tits so-free pass for her.

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5 years 14 weeks ago, 4:44 PM

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There are events that, when looked upon through the scope of history, seem miraculous and yet somehow inevitable.

The special election this past Tuesday seems to be one of those cases. Now, don't get me wrong - I fully realize that this is politics and that Scott Brown is just another cog in a very crooked wheel but the Tea Party parallels are just so...sublime that if I was a more religious person I'd be tempted to credit divine intervention.

Imagine...an assumed underdog is propelled to victory over an entrenched superpower by a grassroots movement enraged at being overtaxed by a government that isn't listening.

In Massachusetts.

Again.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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