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6 years 41 weeks ago, 7:12 PM

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WASHINGTON - A group of doctors overseeing Nidal Malik Hasan's medical training discussed concerns about his overly zealous religious views and strange behavior months before the Army major was accused of opening fire on soldiers and civilians at Fort Hood, Texas, The Associated Press and NPR News reported Wednesday.
A military official familiar with discussions about Hasan said Hasan as a psychiatrist in training was belligerent, defensive and argumentative in his frequent discussions of his Muslim faith. He also had a reputation for being a mediocre student and lazy worker, a matter of concern for doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences military medical school, the official said.
The military source spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the source was not authorized to speak publicly about the meetings.
The concerns about Hasan’s performance and religious views were shared with other military officials considering his assignment after he finished his medical training, and the consensus was to send him to Fort Hood, the official said. Fort Hood was considered the best assignment for Hasan because other doctors could handle the workload if he continued to perform poorly and his superiors could document any continued behavior problems, the official said.
The group saw no evidence that Hasan was violent or a threat. It was more that he repeatedly referred to his strong religious views in discussions with classmates, his superiors and even in his research work, the official said.
His behavior, while at times perceived as intense and combative, was not unlike the zeal of others with strong religious views, and some doctors and staff were concerned that their unfamiliarity with the Muslim faith would lead them to unfairly single out Hasan’s behavior, the official said.
But NPR News reported that the doctors discussed Hasan during a series of meetings between spring 2008 and spring 2009, and at one point talked about whether he was "psychotic" and mentally fit to be an Army psychiatrist.
One official involved in the conversations reportedly told colleagues that he worried that if Hasan deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, he might leak secret military information to Islamic extremists, according to NPR. Another official reportedly wondered aloud to colleagues whether Hasan might be capable of committing fratricide, like the Muslim U.S. Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar, who killed 14 fellow soldiers in 2003 by setting off grenades at a base in Kuwait.
Poor evaluations
Several officials told NPR that supervisors had repeatedly given Hasan poor evaluations and warned him that he was doing substandard work during his training at Walter Reed.
The sources told NPR that both fellow students and faculty were deeply troubled by Hasan's behavior, which they variously described as disconnected, aloof, paranoid, belligerent and "schizoid."
The disclosures came as questions swirled about whether opportunities were missed to head off the massacre in which 13 died and 29 were wounded at Fort Hood last Thursday.
The Senate already has launched its own inquiry into the Hasan case. Sens. Joe Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, and Susan Collins, R-Maine, plan to hold a hearing on the shootings next week.
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You know there gonna play the he wasn't in his right mind, he was depressed it was his meds he was on every excuse but not the truth that he was just a terrorist asshole.

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 7:52 PM

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I just heard this on "John and Ken" radio program. This just gets worse and worse.

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 8:06 PM

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accused?

the rag head cock smoker shot and killed 13 and wounded 31!innocent until proven guilty doesnt apply here.

6 years 41 weeks ago, 8:10 PM

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He's continually referred to as "the accused" or "the suspect" in the media. We have many, many live witnesses who saw him & can identify him. He's not a "suspect", he did it.

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 8:14 PM

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innocent til proven guilty, even with eyewitnesses. i've always thought these types of trials should have the fast track thru the courts you know what i mean

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 8:19 PM

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zx12rmike wrote:
innocent til proven guilty, even with eyewitnesses. i've always thought these types of trials should have the fast track thru the courts you know what i mean

he has to prove his innocence, not like in a civilian court. The burcen of his innocence falls on him he has to prove that the people who are going to testify against him are wrong. Good Luck asshole, these are military officers not so easy to bullshit and very hard to get anything thrown out because of the way it was gathered.

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 8:27 PM

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I've been out of the Navy so long I forgot about the all encompassing UCMJ and its reverse from civilian rules. His ass is worm bait.

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 8:14 PM

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the one good thing is

he's being tried under the UCMJ and by his peers and not some liberal whiney ass liberal jackasses

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 8:30 PM

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Hang him from

the Captains mast, bullets would be way to quick for this asshole. It's bad enough he killed American soldiers but worse he betrade his brothers in arms.

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 10:59 PM

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Innocent until

proven guilty in a court of law, but there is no way he will get away with anything, just have patience. To me, one of the most troubling reports was that he got up, in front of military officers to give a report on environmental effects on health in war zones or something similar, his whole class was tasked with this, everyone to give a briefing. Yet he got up and started briefing on Islam...if that is not a RED FLAG, then there is no such thing as a red flag and we may as well just all bow down to these assholes...WEll, I for one will not and I know none of you will. This is madness!

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 11:13 PM

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Hey photobear

One thing you mentioned is that these are military officers and not so easy to bullshit...but look at what I posted above, he went on a rant to military officers about Islam and how non-believers should be punished/beheaded. Military officers as a whole, I am not denigrating, but they too are a product of liberal universities, like I said I am not saying all military officers are bad/good or anything. In addition, the whole society is being taught to be politically correct and not jump to conclusions on people, don't prejudge, multiculturalism...it's all bullshit. I am just saying, that this guy was known, he didn't hide his feelings, he didn't try to buffalo anybody, he went out in front of everyone and proclaimed that he was being pulled by both sides: his military obligation versus his alliance and support of radical Islam! How could people not see this? I think they did see it, but society has punished and destroyed people for speaking out.

For instance, let's say one of you is working at a gun shop/range for instance, the new guy, while at work wears jeans and a company polo shirt, but when off work attends a mosque in traditional muslim clothing. OK...maybe you might say, well as long as he is part of us, works with us, laughs with us, and does his job etc, we feel he is a bit odd and we don't agree with Islam, his religion, but we will respect him. OK, then at a training class the gun shop/range has on say, new concealed carry laws in your state, he gives a briefing to the rest of you about what he learned in the class he attended at the police station...but, instead of telling you about CCW, he goes off on this rant about how he thinks you are all infidels and the CCW is not what is important, but rather what is more important is Islam and then goes on to explain why Islam is the way, why non-believers should be punished and why beheading and suicide bombers are ok? I mean, come on...what the Fu&$ would you do? There is not anybody on this site that wouldn't report him immediately to the police/FBI, etc...am I right? It's unbelievable to me that this guy was not watched closely or whatever...

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 11:32 PM

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Betting this is gona be an issue, there will be some defence lawyer on msnbc whos going to make an issue out of him being tried under the UCMJ. To bad, its good enough for every person in the military, O or E, male or female. And it would be politcal suicide for an elected official to get involved. Guess who has the death penalty.. Hopefully this will be an example to all of how the legal system should work.

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6 years 41 weeks ago, 11:39 PM

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I agree

No politician is going to get in the way...well, except maybe Obama, he is actually proving to be dumber than I could have imagined...haha

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6 years 37 weeks ago, 8:58 PM

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The prosecutors in the JAG Corps tend to be the junior officers, and they move up to Trial Defense Service as they get experience. Now, I doubt this fucker will use a military attorney, and I'm sure there will be plenty of liberal fuckheads wanting to make a name for themselves defending this raghead. UCMJ is really not any more lopsided than regular law. As a Military Police desk sergeant, if my patrols does a case, it's first reviewed by the patrol supervisor, then by me, then by the admin clerk, then intial information is sent out to all need-to-know people in the blotter, then investigations is given plenty of time to continue processing the case. Now in this instance, Criminal Investigations Division (CID) would have snatched up the case immediately and as much as it pains me to say, as I have no love for CID, they are usually pretty thourough. This will be quite a bit different than most courts martial, as things that happen on military installations are typically shielded from the public's view (bet you didn't hear about the soldier who shoved a jalapeno up a six month old baby's ass for fun in the mid nineties, huh?), but this is a media circus, so there will be more pressure to get it right than normal. What really gets me is he trained in Walter Reed. A raghead shrink training by talking to servicemembers with mental issues they got while fighting ragheads. Yeah, I'd love to talk to an arab shrink about things I did to his people, huh?

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6 years 37 weeks ago, 9:04 PM

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A Jalapeno are you serious? Bastard Coward

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6 years 37 weeks ago, 9:25 PM

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cross-section of American society. We have good and bad ones. I think overall, military people are a better class of citizen than civilians, as we tend to see more of the sacrifices that it takes to keep our nation strong and because the warrior class has always been the guardians, but there are a whole lot of civilians that I know personally who I would feel honored standing side by side with should the need ever arise.

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