ALL ACTIVE DUTY MEMBERS HEADS UP!!!! GunControl in the Military?

ALL ACTIVE DUTY MEMBERS HEADS UP!!!! GunControl in the Military?

Courtesy of Pkato, forwarded to me.

Gentlemen,

I am an 11B currently assigned at Fort Campbell . I live off post, with my firearms (which I don't bring on post for any reason). A very frightening thing happened at work yesterday. I was ordered to fill out a list containing my firearm information. This include d m ake, model, caliber, and serial number of all firearms I currently posses. In addition, I was also required to list registration information, location of all weapons individually, and information regarding any CCW permits I posses. If you are like me, then the people you work with know you have firearms. So I had to list at least some. I tried to talk to my 1sg (who is normally approachable through proper channels) to find out what this is for, and I was basically told, "I don't give a ! &@%, just put your info on the form." I don't know how high this goes, but I am hearing that this is going on in other units at Fort Campbell as well. It just seems a little coincidental to me that within 90 days: the most anti-firearm President in history is inaugurated, some of the nastiest anti-firearm laws are put on the table in Washington, and then the Army comes around wanting what amounts to a registration on all firearms, even if they are off post, and doesn't provide any reason or purpose as to why. I fear something really nasty is blowing in the wind here. I have been in almost 8 years, and never have any of my units asked for this information. If any of you out there have any info as to what all this crap is about please chime in. Otherwise consider yourself warned. I have already posted this on every other firearm forum I am a member of to get the word out.

Here it is folks.

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 11:35 AM

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What is your take?

5 years 12 weeks ago, 12:34 PM

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omfg

wtf

yall been reading the concerns of our gubmint regarding our rightwing extremist troops coming home, I believe this to be a direct result. please see http://www.gunslot.com/forum/are-you-terrorist-your-governments-eyes

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 12:45 PM

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samD, I wonder?

I wonder if this is going to apply to former and retired military and paramilitary personnel as well? Gosh what next? Legitimate weapons owners are among the most responsible people in this country. Some things just beggar the imagination.

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 2:35 PM

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I believe a Company Commander has lost their mind with that MFR. Their may be constraints within that Federal Installation but not outside. The 4th Amendment is still in tact and that firearm is within that meaning if kept in a private residence. As to the revelation of a CCW permit; SILENCE would be my reaction. I don't believe there is anything in the UCMJ that allows the type of revelation and constraint outlined in the letter. On an administrative note, that also appears to be a locally created letterhead, and not that of official stationary.

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 3:04 PM

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whatever happened to

don't ask don't tell..??? O YEA thats for the fags

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 3:18 PM

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Regarding my comment. I would not have said what I did, Had I not faced the same issue, ie., the control of personally owned weapons within my command.
Also, an inadvertent error on my part; change to (the UCMJ that allows "FOR" the type of revelation). Has the UCMJ changed since I last read it ? Don't know. Has the political climate migrated more to the military, YES !

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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acknowledges obeying the orders of those appointed above them in the command structure. HOWEVER: I believe the assumption would be that those orders must be LEGALLY constituted. There is plenty of Military legal precedent on what is or is not a legal order. I believe the requirement shown here, can be challenged successfully under the 4th Amendment. However, from a practical standpoint that would almost assure that after the court case, the plaintiff's military career would be very difficult, whether or not he/she/they won OR lost.

I would love to see a class action in Federal court on this one.

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 3:54 PM

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The letterhead is a typical army memorandum format and is official. Unit commanders, per UCMJ, are allowed a great deal of leeway in "ensuring the preservation of good order and discipline" within their units. A simple method to combat this is to say you've sold your weapons if ever asked by someone in an official capacity. I don't remember if it was Ft Richardson or Ft Wainwright, but one of the posts in Alaska had a policy saying soldiers couldn't carry concealed weapons off post, even if they had a permit. Many units have policies in place that single soldiers are required to store any privately owned weapons in the unit arms room, even if they have someone who lives off-post who is willing to store it. This is not typically enforced, and is really in place to cover leadership's ass should a soldier do something dumb with his weapon. The US Army has always placed a great deal of emphasis on controlling every aspect of a service member's life, including off-post, off-duty conduct. I don't see this going anywhere should a suit be filed, but I would absolutely file if my Chain of Command tries this.

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 8:46 PM

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This is what they are doing.

"WAR IS A RACKET, I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street, and for the Bankers." Major-General Smedley Darlington Butler USMC Ret. 2 time Medal of Honor winner.
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