I am wondering what did not make the list looks like most other than hi-point
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Uglymech, I really don't know what made the short list and didn't, but according to the website I got this off of, these are the companies that submitted guns to be in the running for the replacement.
that is pretty intersting I guess when the time comes it will all come down to the all mighty dollar
The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!
Eleanor Roosevelt, First Lady of th
I would like to see a program in the military allowing its personel to use what is issued or supply their own.
I wish I would of had that option
The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!
Eleanor Roosevelt, First Lady of th
Why fix what aint broke.....Either go back to a 1911 or do not change anything
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do
This time go S&W or Ruger. Buying foreign firearms is just BS with all due respect to my M9
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do
regardless of country of manufacturer. National pride should come second to quality.
"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
Raffy, it's because of NATO. NATO uses 9mm so the US felt they needed to buddy up to them and conform to the standard. Yea, I agree, they should have kept the .45. From what I heard when they were thinking about replacing the Beretta, they were leaning towards the .45 again. However, that program to replace the Beretta got shelved. So, who knows what will happen.
The top dog in the running will be the low bidder. That is too bad. It should be the company with the best ballistics test results, best reliability and easiest to maintain.
The reason they stay with 9mm, is that there are more 9mm rounds in the world than any other. It was agreed upon that all involved with the UN would use 9mm ammo. If a soldier is in the field and is out of ammo, he can pick it up off of any dead soldier, ammo dump, or stash.
I agree ecman. When the do start looking at a replacment for the M9 again, my guess, and this is just a guess, is that it will probably be the HK or the FN. FN because they already have large contracts with them and the new FN 45 has everything the gov wants, or wanted last time around: .45, ambidextrous manual saftey and ambidextrous slide take down and the hk has the same attributes, except I don't think the slide take down can be ambidestrous. The sig still doesn't have the manual saftey I dont think, which may cause a problem witht he gov. They like that thing for some reason. And I think HK just opened up a plant on US soil, which is also a requirement.
Snake, para is a good choice. HOwever I think the military was looking more for something that could be carried hammer down too. I know HK's can be shot single or double, I think the new FN can be too, but not sure.
SNake, no, I'm referring to the FNP-45. It was in the Feb 2008 Guns & Ammo. I held one once at a gun show. It's very big and chunky. In my opinion, a little chunkier than a Glock 21.
The Army already issues the Sig 9mm; M11. It's issued to some CID/SA, intel and a couple other specialty units.
The military doesn't always go with the cheapest anymore, of course here in the last two years they may have to.
The M9 is a good pistol, the ball 9mm is not. 9mm JHP is a good round but we can't use HPs under the Hague Convention. They did have a problem with the mags a few years ago but it was the finish was too rough on the inside to allow the follower to function properly.
Another common problem is Soldiers take the grips off, lose the spacer and reassemble it and tighten the screw down. When this happens the screw goes too far in and won't allow the mag to come out.
27 Comments
uglymech6153
I am wondering what did not make the list looks like most other than hi-point
catfish88
Uglymech, I really don't know what made the short list and didn't, but according to the website I got this off of, these are the companies that submitted guns to be in the running for the replacement.
uglymech6153
that is pretty intersting I guess when the time comes it will all come down to the all mighty dollar
catfish88
yep uglymech, it will probably go to the lowest bidder. Crazy world huh.
uglymech6153
I would like to see a program in the military allowing its personel to use what is issued or supply their own.
I wish I would of had that option
Ebear
stoled all his weapons.....from the Gringos Pendejos!!!!!ayyyyyiiiiyyyyyiiiiigh
HKBauer
But what happened when Blackjack Pershing came after him? LOL
DEMO
Why fix what aint broke.....Either go back to a 1911 or do not change anything
DEMO
This time go S&W or Ruger. Buying foreign firearms is just BS with all due respect to my M9
luckybychoice
S&W was purchased by a British company several years ago if i remember right.
Ebear
smith and wesson
charley9toe
It will have a manual safety on it. For whatever reason.
runawaygun762
regardless of country of manufacturer. National pride should come second to quality.
raffycanlas
you would think they would go with the 40 or the 45.
catfish88
Raffy, it's because of NATO. NATO uses 9mm so the US felt they needed to buddy up to them and conform to the standard. Yea, I agree, they should have kept the .45. From what I heard when they were thinking about replacing the Beretta, they were leaning towards the .45 again. However, that program to replace the Beretta got shelved. So, who knows what will happen.
BluesHarp
The top dog in the running will be the low bidder. That is too bad. It should be the company with the best ballistics test results, best reliability and easiest to maintain.
The reason they stay with 9mm, is that there are more 9mm rounds in the world than any other. It was agreed upon that all involved with the UN would use 9mm ammo. If a soldier is in the field and is out of ammo, he can pick it up off of any dead soldier, ammo dump, or stash.
Cool.Breeze.9mm
Always at the top!
zx12rmike
Cool Breeze is right on Sig Sauer is the best
ecaman
Those would be my choices. Accuracy & total reliability.
catfish88
I agree ecman. When the do start looking at a replacment for the M9 again, my guess, and this is just a guess, is that it will probably be the HK or the FN. FN because they already have large contracts with them and the new FN 45 has everything the gov wants, or wanted last time around: .45, ambidextrous manual saftey and ambidextrous slide take down and the hk has the same attributes, except I don't think the slide take down can be ambidestrous. The sig still doesn't have the manual saftey I dont think, which may cause a problem witht he gov. They like that thing for some reason. And I think HK just opened up a plant on US soil, which is also a requirement.
Anonymous
would be for para ordanace
catfish88
Snake, para is a good choice. HOwever I think the military was looking more for something that could be carried hammer down too. I know HK's can be shot single or double, I think the new FN can be too, but not sure.
Anonymous
Good point. FN? Are you refering to the FN-57?
catfish88
SNake, no, I'm referring to the FNP-45. It was in the Feb 2008 Guns & Ammo. I held one once at a gun show. It's very big and chunky. In my opinion, a little chunkier than a Glock 21.
Anonymous
post a pic of this FNP-45 please. And some inf to.
nobile157
What happens?
When you have a new army pistol?
bulldog136
The Army already issues the Sig 9mm; M11. It's issued to some CID/SA, intel and a couple other specialty units.
The military doesn't always go with the cheapest anymore, of course here in the last two years they may have to.
The M9 is a good pistol, the ball 9mm is not. 9mm JHP is a good round but we can't use HPs under the Hague Convention. They did have a problem with the mags a few years ago but it was the finish was too rough on the inside to allow the follower to function properly.
Another common problem is Soldiers take the grips off, lose the spacer and reassemble it and tighten the screw down. When this happens the screw goes too far in and won't allow the mag to come out.