Deal or no deal?

Deal or no deal?

"Plum Crazy Composite lower, Dreadnaught Industries flat top upper with removable carry handle, 20"colt chrome lined bbl with A2 flash hider. Mil Spec BCG, standard rifle handguards, 1- 20 rd. magazine.
She is a solid shooter that groups well. will throw in (2) 30 rd GI mags if it sells today.

$580.00

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 9:07 PM

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I could own this soon. What do yall think?

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 10:34 PM

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 10:55 PM

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I'm not a fan

of composit lowers myself because i don't believe they will stand up to hard use,as in a carbine course where you will be demanding a lot from it,structurally and mechanically.Now for simple going out and shooting cans and jackrabbits,i'd rather buy a 1022 ruger first,none of the parts described are anything more than very basic parts,if you do buy it and get into the "black rifle " thing you are going to see that you just spent 580 on something that you'd rather not have i think,throw another 100 on the pile and you will improve your components twofold.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 9:22 AM

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what LBC wrote

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 9:57 AM

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Now, I don't know

one way or the other but isn't that what they said about Glock's back in the day?

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 12:10 PM

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I agree with Hamp

Most composites have the strength of steel but lighter than aluminum. We use composites where I work a lot in place of aluminum and in place of some steel too. Most of the time it holds up better than either of the others. Now if you plan on using the gun as a golf club or baseball bat I would say probably not. If you just want a good light weight shooter I say go for it.

2 years 39 weeks ago, 12:23 PM

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is improper usage. In Guns it is typically from a defective Bullet. Be it a reload that was done improperly, an old or dirty case that breaks, or someone neglecting or abusing the firearm. Now I am not saying that I prefer Polymer/Composite firearms because I actually prefer Steel mainly for the feel and balance of the gun. To each is their own.

2 years 39 weeks ago, 1:03 PM

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This post brings up a simple question.. I understand that this is a composite issue on the one pictured.. Lets just talk "in general".. No composite, no gas "ping" stuff..Just straight AR's..

Yep i'm thinking of doing this.. Not much of a rifle guy, but enjoy the SMLE enough to expand to either an AR or Mini-14. I don't care one way or another about the "black" thing.. Interested in 5.56..keeping the price down, best quality for the money on box stock system.. For what its worth im not just throwing this out for conversation, im really serious about buying one before spring, and would appreciate your opinions on this.. SGN has me confused with all thats offered.. I have no aversion to used..So what do you guys thing the best for less is..

back in a few guys.. project time around here.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 2:19 PM

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Well Greg, I have

always been of the opinion that you get what you pay for, my first AR I 'cheeped out' on if you want to call it that ($700), Century arms light barrel .223 only! The next was my tacticool RRA piece, which was damn expensive (and heavy) with all the shit hanging off it....LOL

My M&P15 S&W was the best deal, I thought, Sportsman's whorehouse had it on sale for $850 + $100 red dot sight, one of the best rifles that I own.

Used, well, from my experience AR's don't usually make good used guns, every monkey swears up and down that the gun is a 'clean one owner, only shot after church on Sunday'....well, usually they have had the barrels shot out of them, so new is probably the way to go unless you buy from a trusted source.
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2 years 39 weeks ago, 2:42 PM

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My AR is perfect Greg. The M&P 15 Sporter. chrome lined barrel and internals, m4 feeder, 5.56 bbl, so you can use 5.56 and .223. 16" bll, 1/8th twist. 700's price...what you dont get is what you dont need, doesnt have the dust cover or forward assist...all Ive shot mine, I havent missed them yet. Best AR for you buck!! no regrets

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 3:07 PM

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I value your knowledge, and seems like you two are both on the same page .. I had been thinking about going used, and had NOT thought about bbl wear.. thats not something you normally look for in a handgun.. You know what i mean here.. Normal check points are cylinder indexing, timing, slide tolerance, etc.. Good stuff guys thank you very much..

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 3:37 PM

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 39 weeks ago, 4:03 PM

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about these guns. You're going to get one eh? Cool.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 4:34 PM

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ISD, Daisy...

Thanks guys.. Lou check that site that ISD posted. I can't imagine i would need to go over 900 for my needs.. I have to be honest, The more i decide i really want to do this, the more confusing the whole thing is. I never took the "im confused" thing serious when someone new comes on here.. Sure do now..

If i'm going to use the SMLE for distance as planed that rifle will be scoped.. ergo this one would be better in carbine version.. I sorta like the old style M16 hand grip, W/ standard sights.

I'm still wondering if this would be better than just a Mini-14.. black is not a big selling point with me. Bottom line is every time i've get serious, and i assure you i am right now.. Going down this wed. take the last of brothers weapons to one of our bud's. and would like to place an order at that time. IF i could figure out what i want. Remember the geez is simple and cheap.. Sheesh thats embarrassing.. but a fact.. Thanks guys, will let you know what happens..

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 4:44 PM

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Geezers and black guns

I'm as lost as Padre. I do want one just to have all the knowledge possible of the platform if "that day" comes.
Anybody got a contact for TL Tactical? He might steer a guy the right direction and cut a deal to boot.
I can't remember the name of the outfit he is with. Nope, eyesight is fine.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 4:57 PM

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Vaq and Greg (in edit)

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 4:55 PM

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my RRA AR cammo if I didn't have a problem defiling a $2000 gun.....LOL!

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 6:23 PM

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My biggest concern with a plastic lower on an AR would be when you have to clear a failure to eject. Correct me if I am wrong, but you hold the charging handle and slam the butt onto a hard surface, like the ground. I would feel more confident with metal.
I would also argue that a rifle is a club when your ammo is exhausted. It can still be used as an effective weapon to bludgeon.
I do not know anything about the Plum Crazy lower, so I can not comment on it's durability or strength. Until I experience it and run it to find it's limitation, it is hard to know if I could trust it as much as a metal frame.
And I guess that is what it comes down to, trust.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:34 PM

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when I clear an FTE in an AR, first I work the charging handle and attempt to jack the round out and if that doesn't work I'll stick a wood dowel down the barrel and push the case out.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:15 AM

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ISD,
Do you carry a wooden dowel with you on your rifle in the off chance that you might encounter a FTE? From what I was taught, and I am not saying it is correct, but you need to be able to clear your malfunctions with the tools you have on you. Now if it is your practice to have dowel attached to your rifle and you train with it to clear your malfunction under stress, then I would compliment you. If not, my instructors would say you are doing yourself a disservice.
Just one train of thought.
I was thinking more about what Hamp wrote because IO think it is a valid point. What I decided was that the Glock and most of the polymer pistols are striker fired. There is not a hammer creating the kinetic energy to ignite the primer. In an AR platform, you have a moving hammer. As we are all aware, humans are imperfect; therefore, their creations are not perfect. I would feel more comfortable with a piece of steel housing a hammer that I would plastic.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 5:15 PM

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Clint, nope no dowel

Thats for the range, but I do have a pick bent at a 90 which I can reach inside and snatch it out with.

How To: Clear a Double Feed/FTE Malfunction, AR 15

Now we move on to another common, but more problematic pair of AR 15 malfunctions: the double feed and failure to eject (FTE). The double feed happens when the magazine tries to load a round when a round is already chambered, and the FTE happens when a spent casing does not eject from the gun and gets stuck. Both of these malfunctions are remedied the same way:

1.) Tilt the gun over to inspect the chamber and confirm what the problem is. A double feed will look like a round jammed up against the round already chambered. An FTE will either be a spent casing sticking out of the ejection port (commonly called a "stovepipe"), or a spent casing jammed behind a live round.

2.) Tilt the gun over to the opposite side, keeping the gun elevated to let gravity assist you, and hold down the magazine release button while forcefully ripping the loaded magazine out of the gun, releasing the magazine release button afterwards. You may or may not see the obstruction fall out of the magazine well.

3.) Cycle the gun with the charging handle three or more times to make sure the obstruction is dislodged. If there was a stovepipe, the spent casing should fall out.

4.) Load a new magazine into the gun and cycle the gun one more time to chamber a new round.

As far as the Hammer in a Poly Lower goes, Unless the Hammer and Trigger pins on inserted through steel bearings inset into the lower, I wouldn't have a thing to do with it...

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:56 PM

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Talked to TBH. The pics came today. I'll be home for 5 days this weekend. Will get 'em scanned and e-mailed to ya.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 12:03 AM

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Good stuff buddy, apperciate that.. just got on for a min.. the past thee four days have been long ones.. alls going good, but tied up with projects, and a few things that have kept me from spending my normal time on GS.. (in other words i've been working for a change)

Think thats back to normal tomorrow or next day. Sure hope so, i miss my normal dose of Gunslut buds. On top of the work thing, were having some computer issues. I kid about not being that tech savy.. ok i'm not.. but somehow we have the whole system in a state of melt down, and our only working one is my lap top,,

No problem on time, and no rush. and as you know i don't have email on the lap top.. maybe will do what you suggested last week.. ild like to have them on mine anyway.. Glad your finnishing up the project and heading home..

Will talk to you guys tomorrow..

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