The guns of JMB

The guns of JMB

Damn! Is there a bad one in there anywhere?

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:18 AM

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Browning's first

In 1878, Browning designed a falling-block single shot rifle, for which he was granted a patent the following year, at age 24. Browning commenced making the rifles his brother by hand in their second-floor workshop in Ogden, Utah.

Winchester purchased the rights to this, modified it slightly, and released it as the Winchester 1885.

Browning's first
Browning's first design. This was a joint effort with his brothers.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:21 PM

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The Winchester 1886

The Model 1886 action’s design is another result of the genius of Browning and is generally recognized as one of the finest actions ever developed.

Produced from 1886-1936 and re-introduced and currently in production by Winchester.

Model 1886 Calibers:
.45-70 Gov’t
.45-90 W.C.F.
.40-82 W.C.F.
.40-65 W.C.F.
.38-56 W.C.F.
.50-110 Express
.38-70 W.C.F.
.40-70 W.C.F.
.50-100-450 Express
.33 W.C.F.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 1:09 PM

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The Model 1887 was the first truly successful repeating shotgun. Winchester requested this from Browning, Browning suggested that a pump-action would be much more appropriate for a repeating shotgun, but Winchester was known as the lever-action company. So, Browning designed a rolling block lever-action.
Initially offered only in 12 Gauge, a 10 Gauge version was later introduced.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 1:05 PM

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Winchester 1890

The 1890 model was the first Slide-Action (pump) rifle that Winchester produced. The gun designed by John and Mathew Browning. It was chambered for .22 short, long, and the Winchester Rimfire (WRF) cartridge, which was developed specifically for the Model 1890. Later (1919) a version was produced chambered in .22LR.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 3:58 PM

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Winchester 1892

The 1892 was designed to replace the venerable 1873 (the gun that won the west) as a repeating rifle utilizing dual-purpose (i.e handgun) cartridges but also have the strong action of Browning's 1886.

From the American Rifleman:

"Having a rifle capable of cartridge interchangeability with handguns had long been a desirable feature for consumers, as was proven with the success of the Winchester Model 1873. Winchester carried over that feature, along with the vertical breech locks of the Model 1886, to the Model 1892. Known for its light weight and compact, smooth lever-action design, the ’92 has long been hailed as one of the premier Winchester rifles of the 19th century.

It was originally chambered in .44-40 Win., .38-40 Win. and .32-20 Win., then later in .25-20 Win. and .218 Bee."

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:50 PM

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Just a footnote for this one, because it was designed for black powder shotgun shells, this design was brief and was replaced by the more popular 1897.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 6:49 PM

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Winchester 1894

The Model 1894 was the first Winchester specifically developed for smokeless powder. The Winchester 1894 holds the record for best-selling high-powered rifle in U.S. history and was produced from 1894-2006, with a release of commemorative models in 2010 and a re-introduction from a Japanese company and imported by Browning Arms, Inc. in 2011 to current. Most important of its many features were the cartridges Winchester developed for this action. The old standby 30 W.C.F., also known as the .30-30 has killed more North American big game than any other cartridge and still remains popular to this day.

Early Model 1894 Calibers:
.32-40 – introduced in 1894
.38-55 – introduced in 1894
.25-35 – introduced in 1895
.30-30 – introduced in 1895

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 5:05 PM

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The potato digger, named because the piston under the barrel which would come low and on a prone mounting, would scoop dirt. Browning's first entry in the MG world. Was used by the U.S. Navy in the Spanish-American war.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 5:54 PM

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Awesome, good post SJMB.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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Thanks, Vaq. I've been working on this since last week, knowing his birthday was coming up. I thought it'd be nice to have a little tribute and maybe inform some that aren't as familiar with his work just how much this genius did for our world.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 6:43 PM

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Winchester 1895

To answer the demand of a lever gun using the newer, bottlenecked, pointed (spitzer) bullets, Browning designed a lever gun that uses a internal box magazine instead of the tubular magazine of most lever rifles and was the first box magazine rifle Winchester produced.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:07 PM

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FN Browning 1899/1900

Browning's first pistol, and first firearm not licensed to Winchester, was a single action blowback and was the first production pistol to use a slide.

It also represented a new first for Mr. Browning, an entry in cartridge design. Introduced as the 7.65 mm Browning, it would later be more recognized by the name adopted by Colt for a pistol he designed for them, the .32 ACP.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:28 PM

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Colt M1900

What a better way to turn the century than this match of Colt and Browning. The first of a line that would eventually lead to the 1911, the 1900 was a long slide recoil operate single action auto. This pistol also introduced another Browning cartridge design, the .38 ACP.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 4:41 PM

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Winchester 1900

The last rifle Browning would make for Winchester, this was a forgettable single shot Bolt action rifle chambered for .22 rimfire and many sources don't even acknowledge its existence.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 5:54 PM

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Browning A-5

The first semiautomatic shotgun, it was produced continually for almost 100 years by several makers with production ending in 1998 and considered by Browning himself as his best achievement. It features a distinctive high rear end, earning it the nickname "Humpback".
The story of the A5 is interesting and is also the story of the breakup in the Browning/Winchester relationship. Browning knew he had a good design on his hands. In his previous dealings with Winchester for design rights, Winchester would pay a lump sum for the rights. This time, Browning wanted a better deal. He wanted royalties, like he worked out with FN on his auto-pistol. Winchester refused and that was the end of Browning's dealings with them. He went to Remington. While he was in the outer office waiting for his appointment, the president's secretary came out & informed John that the president had just died of a heart attack.
This forced Browning to look overseas to produce the shotgun. It was manufactured by FN starting in 1902. Browning would later license the design to Remington, who produced it as their Model 11 (1905–1948). The Remington Model 11 was the first auto-loading shotgun made in the USA. Savage Arms also licensed the design from Browning and produced it as their model 720 from 1930 to 1949, and their model 745 with an alloy receiver and 2-shot magazine from 1941 to 1949. Browning's long-recoil design itself served as the operating system for subsequent Remington (11-48), Savage (755, 775) and Franchi (AL-48) models after his patent ran out and they were free to use it royalty free.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:49 PM

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Winchester 1897

Damn it! I missed this one. How could I skip over the trench gun? Ok, well the Winchester Model 1897 was designed to enhance the 1893 so that it could handle the more powerful shells being introduced. The Model 1897 is an external hammer shotgun lacking a trigger disconnector giving it the ability to slam fire. This means that the user can hold the trigger down while pumping the shotgun and once the pump is returned to the forward position the gun fires.
It earned its name trench gun in WWI as it was used in the trench combat of the War to end wars. The Germans actually filed a protest against it claiming it violated rules of war.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:51 AM

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The FN 1903 was the second blowback-operated pistol designed by Browning. Also known as the Browning No.2 pistol, this design was a serious improvement over the older No.1 (FN - Browning 1900) pistol. It was introduced with a new Browning-designed cartridge, the 9x20mm Browning Long. This design was also manufactured by Colt as the M1903 Pocket Hammerless and the 7.65mm Browning it fired was marketed as .32ACP by Colt. Later, Colt would release a M1908 variant that fired the larger .380 ACP (AKA 9mm Browning, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Short, and 9x17mm), another Browning cartridge which was designed for the 1908 Pocket Hammerless.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:11 PM

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amazingly beautiful pistol ;<(
It's gorgeous.....Thanks for posting it, I gotta get one!!!!!!!!!

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:35 PM

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Sorry, DC

Believe me, it killed me going through all the info and pics to come up with this thread. I was drooling so much I got dehydrated. I'm still working on the list of TG's million $ gun collection. Guess what a good chunk of my list is? ;)

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:27 PM

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Not to be confused with the hammerless, this was a recoil action pistol, grand pappy to the 1911, and was chambered in .38 ACP.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:45 PM

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Colt 1905

As the 1903 was the grandfather to the 1911, this pistol was its daddy. When the U.S. Army decided it wanted a semi-auto sidearm and wanted a .45 cartridge, Colt tried to answer the call. But they were having issues with their design. The new powerful round they designed was tearing up barrel links and pins.
Of course, Browning stepped up and delivered. The 1905 was what he came up with and this is when he also designed the .45 ACP.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 1:57 AM

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This is the pistol that was proposed to the Army but they had a hissy over it not having a grip safety. JB threw it on there just for them.

They did not want Pony Soldiers shooting their mounts from under themselves, themselves or their fellow Soldiers out of their saddles.

Actually was molesting a 1902 and 1903 .38 ACP at the gun show on Sunday. Also the 1903 .32 and 380 ACP.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:05 AM

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Early Colt semi autos

Nice. I would like to handle a few as well. I find these early pistols very fascinating.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:18 AM

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Morning all..

Whats gets me on this thread is memories of old autos at gun shows.. Tucson hosts a major (Sam ya ever?) event east of town at the fairgrounds.. Had a buddy we ustsa shoot with who had either MS or MD.. (he didn't talk about it) and a home FFL.. Duh.. pretty easy to spend time with.. He would always buy a table..if i remember right they were only 50 dollars for a 10 ff table.

Dave got around on a walker, but limited..The neat thing about this was being part of a "vendor" got us in free.. This was a real deal, every gun show two or three of us would do the grunt stuff, and in return be able to trade or sell our stuff.. On top of the obvious, as a vendor you got first dibs.. This is how all the shows work, the set up is vendor only, and you get first look, and it's a given that the prices or a "bit" better.. That bit got a lot bigger on the last day when you were clearing out.. Thats when i'd do my buying (thinking, and missing Bob Moon, he did this same thing) I'd make an offer before the show opened.. just a name and table number and price. Sometimes gold, sometimes nada, but least got toys at the right price..

Never bought the old stuff then, looking back on this is analogous to buying gold in 1985.. I guess there was so much then that it wasn't a big deal.. I'm not alone or all those old beauties (at givaway prices) wouldn't have been packed up and tak'n back home Sunday night..

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:33 AM

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Morning greg az

Yes have been to the gun shows at the Pima County Fairgrounds on Houghton Road off of 10 South, many times. Never have bought much, prices seemed high to me. But I am cheap...
They also have a show now at the big RV dealer in town. He has a big rec hall there with his RV Park and dealership. Forget the friggin' name now but will look it up for you. The reason I like it is because the parking is free and it is air-conditioned and much larger than the fairgrounds.

3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:39 AM

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Mar. 3-4, AZ, 2012, Tucson, Pima County Fairgrounds. 11300 S. Houghton Rd. Sat. 9 am to 5 pm, Sun. 9 am to 4 pm, Crossroads of the West Gun Shows, PH: 801-544-9125 $1 off Coupon

Mar. 31-Apr. 1,
Prescott Valley Gun Show
Tim's Toyota Center, 3201 N Main S
Show hours, Sat. 9 to 5 and Sun. 9 to 3
Rocket Radio Inc., 4301 North 75th Street #105, Scottsdale, AZ 85251 480-593-6157 GPS 34.589242,-112.336361

http://www.americangunshows.com/GunShows/AZ-GunShows.htm

Tucson Convention Center
260 S. Church Ave.
Tucson, Arizona
2012 DATES
AIR CONDITIONED!
MAR. 24 & 25, 2012
MAY 19 & 20, 2012
SEPT. 22 & 23, 2012
Admission $9.50 for Adults
Free Admission for Children under 12
TWO DAY WRISTBAND AVAILABLE AT THE SHOW OFFICE ON SATURDAY FOR AN ADDITIONAL $5. WRISTBANDS ARE WATERPROOF AND TEAR RESISTANT AND WILL HAVE TO BE PUT ON AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE.

Tucson Expo Center
3750 E. Irvington Rd.
Tucson, Arizona
2012 DATES
APRIL 14 & 15, 2012
OCT. 27 & 28, 2012
DEC. 15 & 16, 2012
Admission $9 for Adults
Free Admission for Children under 12
FREE PARKING!
TWO DAY WRISTBAND AVAILABLE AT THE SHOW OFFICE ON SATURDAY FOR AN ADDITIONAL $5. WRISTBANDS ARE WATERPROOF AND TEAR RESISTANT AND WILL HAVE TO BE PUT ON AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE.

3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:41 AM

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We went to an RV show at the convention center in 96 or so.. Yep the prices "start" high.. what bugs me is that their (as i understand it) now doing FFL's at the Tucson show.. For what its worth our Wickenburg show is FFL free..

Skipper..will you do the official welcome for admiralhighnee.. have a feeling this ones boom or bust.. If boom could be a winner..

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:51 AM

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Morning Greg and Sam

It hard to go to gun shows for me. I just go around everywhere saying yes to everything.

edit: Sorry for butchering your name Greg.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:32 PM

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A striker-fired semi-auto SA, it was marketed as a small concealable firearm which could be easily tucked into a gentleman’s vest pocket for unobtrusive carry.
Browning designed yet another cartridge for this pistol. The 6.35x16mmSR which, of course, Colt later renamed the .25ACP.
We have learned from experts on this site that .25 ACP hits slightly less hard than a swing cane and that you would be better throwing the gun at the would be target. ;)
In fact, in terms of joules of force, I found that the .22 rimfire are more powerful on average.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:44 PM

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Remington Model 8

In 1906, Browning and Remington finally came together and produced this rifle. It's a recoil-operated semi-auto, the 1st commercially successful auto-loader. It uses a 5-shot magazine and bolt hold after the magazine is empty. It is a takedown design, meaning that the barrel and receiver are easily separated with no tools, allowing for a smaller package for transport. Remington created four new calibers for the Model 8 rifle: .25 Remington, .30 Remington, .32 Remington and .35 Remington. These cartridges were rimless designs to allow reliable feeding from box magazines. This was the favorite rifle of Texas Ranger Frank Hamer, who used it in the ambush of Bonnie and Clyde.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:10 AM

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I saw one of these yesterday! at the gun store. I looked at it and said....WTF...lol feels great in your hands. I believe the one I saw was the .32 rem. about 500. It was in good shape, but you can tell it was used a lot. Shoulda got it..lol

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:17 PM

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BFT

I'd love one. The down side is the chamberings. All scarce ammo. You can find the .35 Rem and .300 Savage. But there not abundant and expensive.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:54 PM

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FN 1910

The gun that started WWI, used by the Serbian assassin of Franz Ferdinand and his wife.
Paraphrased from Wikipedia:
The Model 1910 was a departure for Browning. Before, his designs were produced by both FN in Europe and Colt Firearms in the United States. Since Colt did not want to produce it, Browning had to patent and produce this design in Europe only. It incorporated the standard Browning striker-firing mechanism and a grip safety along with a magazine safety and an external safety lever (known as the "triple safety") in a compact package. Offered in both .380 ACP (6-round magazine) and .32 ACP (7-round magazine) calibers (with the ability to switch calibers by changing only the barrel), it remained in production until 1983.

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Kind of wild when today so many today feel anything under a 9 mm is too anemic a round for defense.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 18 weeks ago, 9:49 PM

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Yeah, ISD

I hear you. I was reading about the .32 Remington when looking at a Remington model 8 and back in the day it was considered sufficient for bear and other larger game.

Today, the conventional wisdom is you need a .50 BMG to take anything larger than a Whitetail.

Kids today.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:05 PM

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Colt 1911

Ah yes, the 1911. On March 29, 1911 the Army adopted this Browning Masterpiece as the Pistol, Caliber .45, Automatic, M1911, and it's service continues to this day. In 1924, the pistol received a major update based on experiences in WWI and this upgrade is designated 1911A1, which is the variant most abundant today. Many "1911"s made today are actually 1911A1. The easiest identification between the two is the arched mainspring housing, shortened trigger, longer grip safety spur (but not beaver-tailed), and frame cutouts behind the triggerguard. I can go on about this gift to man from heaven, but y'all know the story.

Also, it blows up tanks:

1911 - Tank Killer
It's true. I saw it. :D

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Colt started the "collectible model" craze.. Smith has something like 6 reissues of it's great revolvers, but Colt started the craze in the fifties.. For what it's worth we all know many Mfg's have models that are deemed collectible from the time of manufacture.

As simple as engraving, or any low number runs of a gun will but it into the collector category, but Colt mass manufactured some 1911's and SAA's that were out of the box collectible..

I'm thinking of two in particular based on the 1911 format. First is the WWi battle commemorative, this one has (i believe, corrections welcomed) 4 models.. First was Bealeu woods.. (sorry for sp, and incomplete list) these are still out there in good numbers and still not that bad price wise..

Second is an A1 model that was made for both theaters of war for WWII.. pacific, and european.. There are of course a number of VN commemorative... dozens of these and others that are based on runs commissioned by a marketing firm.. Say for example sharper image decides to commission a run of Colts based on Gunsluts.. they contact Colt, a deal is struck for x number.. Sharper image markets them with pictures of a bunch of goofy guys on one side, and gunsluts logo on the other. guessing the guy with that idea got fired quick..

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A takedown rifle produced by FN. The rifle is currently in production. Produced from 1914-1974 in Belgium and continued in 1976 in Japan. Remington produced this rifle from 1919-1935 under license as the Remington Model 24.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:27 PM

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Stevens 520

A little known slide (pump) action shotgun. Not much information out there about this gun, and I hadn't heard of it before I started researching this.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 6:35 AM

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in the Marines,these Steven brands were ones we used if i remember correctly,some had the "duckbill" attachment to spread the shot horizontally, i was NCOIC of the range and got to shoot quite a bit,still love shooting shotguns.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:07 PM

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OK, never heard of that one before. What was it used for? I assume, being a military application, the shot was at minimum 4 buck. Did the pellets cause damage to this attachment?

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 4:50 AM

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corrrection

the duckbill was on an Ithica model 37 shotgun,went google foo and found that out.There were still Stevens,Winchester,and Ithica shotguns used.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:32 PM

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Colt woodsman

The Colt Woodsman was Hartford's premier .22 caliber pistol. Produced from 1915 to 1977, collectors divide up the 62 year Woodsman production into three different frame types, designating them as series one, two and three. The first series refers to all Woodsmen built before and during World War Two. The second series includes all versions from late 1947 until mid 1955, and third series Woodsmen extend from 1955 to the end of regular production in 1977.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:35 AM

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Here is one on Gun Broker
belgium Browning BAR

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=270336249

3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:57 AM

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damn thats a pretty

damn thats a pretty rifle....almost too nice to shoot!!

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:28 AM

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actually for what it is 8?? is pretty good.. I was thinking more on the line of an old 700 series Remington or old Springfield for Robt. but if you were going to invest in the best that browning BAR would be the one..Top right hand on screen "Brownells".(think we should support adv's) or any other source for a large capacity magazine for either Browning or Remington 30.06's go from hunting elk to zombies.. I've checked out these large capacity magazines. Their normally only 10 rounds.. but still couple of them and your bar is a BAR

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:31 PM

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M1917 .30 BMG

A water-cooled heavy machine gun. Unlike many other early machine guns, the M1917 had nothing to do with Maxim's toggle lock design. It was much lighter than contemporary Maxim type guns, while still being highly reliable.
When the US got involved in WWI the government asked several designers to submit weapons. Browning arranged a test at the Springfield Armory In the first test, the weapon fired 20,000 rounds without incident. The reliability was exceptional, so Browning fired another 20,000 rounds through the weapon without any parts failing. The Ordnance Board was impressed but was unconvinced that the same level of performance could be achieved in a production model. Consequently, Browning used a second gun that not only duplicated the original trial, but it also fired continuously for 48 minutes and 12 seconds (over 21,000 rounds).

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 10:46 PM

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M1918 BAR

Oooh! I get shivers just thinking about this one. This is one of those rare exceptions from Browning in which, for it's class, it wasn't the best. Experts say. The Bren was better. The Johnson M1941 was (arguably) better.

But when it comes down to it, if I had my choice of what I want to be carrying. I take the BAR, hands down. Maybe it's because it's essentially a .30-06 rifle that keeps going as long as I do. I hear the complaint about the rate of fire. Can you image a (relatively) light rifle firing .30-06 at a high rate of fire? Personally, I'll take the slower rate and hit what I'm aiming at.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:06 PM

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Browning .30 MG M1919

Essentially a lighter, air-cooled version of the M1917, the M1919 saw widespread use with US military from its adoption through the Vietnam war. The M1919 had several variants with the A4 being the most common. It was eventually converted from .30-06 to 7.62 NATO and has as proud a history as any weapons Browning designed.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:14 PM

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Remington Model 17

A pump action shotgun. Remington had bought the rights earlier, but with WWI, their production focused on existing war time production and they didn't release this until 1921. This design was the basis for the Remington Model 31, the Ithaca 37 and the Browning BPS.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:30 PM

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M2 BMG

The ma deuce. Faithful fifty. Or just the fifty. A historic deliverer of wrath to the enemies of America. This piece of deadly art has been in service since 1921 (albeit the original M2 was a lighter barrel with a water jacket, the one we've come to know and love is the M2HB, Heavy Barrel air-cooled). Making it the second longest small arm (funny to call it that) with the exception to... Browning's 1911!
This bit of perfection is used as anti-aircraft, anti-personnel, anti-vehicular, anti-fortification, and anti-bad guy in general. It's been mounted on aircraft (bombers and fighters), Jeep and HMVs, personnel carriers, tanks, PT's, and war ships. The .50 BMG was designed by Browning for this gun and it has achieved legendary status, being used for more than a mile sniper kills. In my opinion, this is the weapon that epitomized Browning's genius and craftsmanship.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:35 PM

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FN Browning Trombone

The FN Browning Trombone is a pump-action .22 rifle designed by Browning manufactured by FN from 1922 to 1974.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:43 PM

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37mm M4 Cannon

An auto-cannon designed for anti-aircraft duty, this was the largest weapon Browning designed.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:51 PM

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Browning Superposed

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The Browning Superposed was one of the first over-under shotgun designs to be produced, and the last, possibly the most elegant, firearm to be designed by John Browning. The Superposed introduced a wide variety of innovations including the single select trigger and over-under design.This design being revolutionary in the 1930s it was later found that Browning had already made a model of this design in the 1880s.This shows the mastermind was never running out of ideas.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:00 AM

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Browning Hi-Power

FN commissioned John Browning to design a new military sidearm. He had sold the rights to his the 1911 to Colt, and was forced to design an entirely new pistol. Browning built two different prototypes. One was a simple blowback design, while the other was operated with a locked-breech recoil system.
The locked breech design was selected for further development and testing. This model was striker-fired, and featured a double-column magazine that held 16 rounds. The design was refined through several trials held by the Versailles Trial Commission.

This was the design Browning was working on when he passed away.

In 1928, Dieudonné Saive took up completing this design.

By 1931, the Hi-Power design incorporated a shortened 13-round magazine, a curved rear grip strap, and a barrel bushing that was integral to the slide assembly. By 1934, the Hi-Power design was complete and ready to be produced.

Browning Hi Power

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 4:44 AM

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My Browning Hi-Power
17 rounds of 9MM,i gave this weapon to my son when he turned 21 and we just decided to trade, i gave him a Ruger .44 mag and i got back this BHP.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 9:07 AM

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I know on TopGun they said this is a great shooter. In your opinion how is it?
Love the grips.

3 years 18 weeks ago, 2:38 PM

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it's a great shooter

it digests everything without a bitch,it has the magazine safety but all my mags drop clear and easy,the trigger i am very used to,i am as accurate as i want to be with it,that is i can put 13 rounds in an 8 inch circle at 30ft in about 5 seconds or close to it.The only complaint,and i say so although i have pvercome the issue is the sights are small and SS,they dissapear in the sunlight,shiny gun syndrome.But the whole gun has been smoothed and rounded over as a carry package and i have plenty of muscle memory developed with this gun i could shoot it blindfolded and be plenty accurate.fuckin mags are around 75 bucks apiece though :)

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 3:05 PM

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$75 mags.....Ouch!

I thought $50 mags for my PPS was extortion....

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 9:49 AM

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A guy I was in 'nam with bought a BHP that I recommended. Damn if it was not more accurate at a greater distance than the 1911A1 I was so proud of! Nice machine.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:06 AM

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Here is one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=271432530

<$25.00

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That is a mighty fine looking piece. Some day..........some day.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 12:04 AM

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Saint, JMB stuff..

Think that was to make sure you didn't miss this.. I wonder if a mod could delete our posts and/or if your work could be combined in such a way that it was a stand alone..

I'm thinking of other posts that have all the material together.. and two things.. Yours is the best work i've seen.. and secondly, you have produced something special for the site.

Any comprehensive work is good, but pretty sure JMB and his complete works is going to be a great read, and again an honest plus for the site to have this.. Congratulations on a great piece of work.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:23 AM

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Thank, bud. You're making me blush. I can look at maybe adding a review under the generic 'Browning' and copying all this there.

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3 years 18 weeks ago, 11:21 AM

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These are the guns of John Moses Browning, genius and gentleman. I might have missed some, and there are certainly variants, copies, and modifications of these that I haven't covered.

But I think this illustrates have prolific and profound his body of work is. And the fact is, almost every modern firearm worth its salt today owes some homage to J.M. Browning. What would the world of firearms look like today without him? I don't know, but I can tell you this: It's not a world I want to know.

One of these days when I leave this world and, God willing, pass through the pearly gates, John Browning is one man I want to find and shake his hand.

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3 years 16 weeks ago, 11:45 PM

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I've taken your suggestion and moved all the posts into one complete post here.

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3 years 14 weeks ago, 5:52 AM

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Saint, great topic, awesome pics.

Greatest inventor of firearms ever.

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3 years 14 weeks ago, 3:40 PM

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Thanks. I appreciate it. I do admire JMB, hence my screen name. BTW, I condensed this post into one here:

http://www.gunslot.com/forum/john-moses-browning-january-21-1855-%E2%80%...

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Found this on Backpage. Nice looking piece. You might want to look at it.

http://yuma.backpage.com/SportsEquipForSale/750-browning-hi-power-9mm-ob...

2 years 35 weeks ago, 9:09 AM

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Damn

Looks like it's already been snatched up. Just as well. Got to watch the $$ right now anyway.

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