Kimber Ultra Carry II Stainless

Kimber Ultra Carry II Stainless

I thought about purchasing this handgun also, but I was a bit concerned over the size versus caliber of it. I did get a chance to pickup, handle and get a general feel for it in my hand. It feels good, but of course I have never owned a .45 or a Kimber. From what I have read about Kimber, it’s either love-em or hate-em, no middle ground. From some people, I read that they are one of the best handguns out there while others say they are a total pieced of junk…weird, I am sure the answer is somewhere in the middle. Anybody have experience with Kimbers in general, this model in particular or anything to add about Kimber handguns? I talked them over with the owner of the gun range in Tucson, Arizona the owner told me she doesn’t like them nor does she carry them. However, she did tell me that the company went through a period when Q C was questionable, but she has not heard the same complaints about them in recent years.
Kimber Ultra Carry II Stainless .45 ACP 1911 Semi-Auto Pistol:
Ultra Carry II pistols weigh just 25 ounces, 13 ounces less than a full-size 1911. Combining light weight with a 3-inch barrel and short grip makes them easy to carry and conceal. Attention to every detail is another reason Kimber quality is unsurpassed. Machined bevels at both the front and rear of the Ultra Carry ejection port ensure ejecting brass reliably clears, avoiding jams common to other brands.
All Kimber pistols feature a match grade barrel, chamber and trigger. Ultra Carry bull barrels are fitted directly to the slide, keeping maximum weight forward to reduce recoil and speed sight recovery time between shots. To ensure dependability, Ultra Carry light weight aluminum frames are machined on the same computer-driven machines and to the same unequaled tolerances as Kimber steel frames.
Each model has standard Kimber features like rounded and blended edges, beveled magazine well, extended thumb safety and bumped beavertail grip safety. Magazine capacity is 7 rounds in .45 ACP. They fit almost any size hand and point naturally. Best of all, the crisp, clean single action trigger eliminates long travel, heavy pull and the guessing that goes with it. For concealed carry, nothing beats a 1911 – and no 1911 beats a Kimber.
Kimber Ultra Carry II Stainless .45 ACP 1911 Semi-Auto Pistol Specifications:
Height (inches) 90° to barrel: 4.75, Weight (ounces) with empty magazine: 25, Length (inches): 6.8, Magazine capacity: 7, Recoil spring (pounds): 18.0, Full length guide rod, Frame: Material: Aluminum, Finish: Satin Silver, Width (inches): 1.28, Slide: Material: Stainless steel, Finish: Satin Silver, Barrel: Length (inches): 3, Material: Steel, match grade, Twist rate (left hand): 16, Ramped; Sights: Fixed low profile, Radius (inches): 4.8, Grips: Black synthetic, Double diamond; Trigger: Aluminum Match Grade, Factory setting (appx. pounds): 4.0 - 5.0.

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 7:04 PM

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Were the QC complaints across the board, were they purely about their 45's, or were they purely about their rifles?
How long ago were these complaints?
I'm surprised to hear this, because I've always been under the impression that their quality was excellent.
Note: I've been wrong before.

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 7:16 PM

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I personally like the black with cherry grips better, but thats my opinion. I think these pistols are beautifull and I want one so bad, but then again I have fallen in love with Glock. I havent shot a Kimber yet but I thin I might go try one out at the local pistol range. I wonder how much of a difference the rcoil is between the standard 1911 and the compact. The difference in the glock 22 and 23 is managable but noticable. anyone shot both??

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 7:50 PM

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lucky enought to be at a gun range when the federal cartridge rep came in and had some Kimbers with him along with a case of .45 ammo,this was in 1992-94 sometime,anyway Kimber had a great reputation for their pistols,i think the question on QC was with their rifles and if i remember right it was only with one model,hey i might have a bad memory too.
anyway we got to shoot as much as we could load magazines for,i finally gave up after a couple hundred rounds,nice guns,then they went and got expensive.

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 7:51 PM

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ECAMAN,

The biggest problem I have read/heard were with the external extractors. (see below), then the follow-up customer support.

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I think you hear Kimber complaints for two reasons. First, they sell so many guns that it sounds like there are all kinds of problems. The reality is that the percentage of owners that actually have issues is miniscule. Compare it to the talk of the Glock Kabooms. Secondly, there are a whole lot of people who have no I dea how a 1911 functions, nor do they know how to maintain it. When I see issues with a 1911 it is almost always either a bad magazine, a limp wristing shooter, a filthy gun, or a completely dry gun. Rarely are issues with the gun itself. The average 1911 owner today has no idea how to detail strip and clean and maintain his pistol. 99% of the issues are owner, not gun related.

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I tend to disagree - there is NO question Kimber had a REAL problem with the external extractor - the design and implementation was terrible, and IMO more widespread then you suspect. ALOT of people talked about the same problem, how/who to contact at Kimber (Dennis), etc.

Besides, the 1911 is not so special that it should need any more attention or hand-holding then other comparable semis. QC may also have slipped too as others have mentioned, but I stay away now so personally I do not know for sure. Eventually I may probably try another one, as other then functioning properly the gun was pretty nice.

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You guys are worrying me here. I just fell in love with a Kimber Ultra Carry II in Stainless while visiting the gun shop on the way up north this past weekend. Beautiful gun IMHO. I guess I'll really have to do some digging before I buy. One of the guys who delivers parts to us carries the same gun I mentioned and loves it. He has quite a few different firearms including glocks, sigs, and I think a colt, and favors his Kimber. We go to the same range yet never manage to be there at the same time. He offered to let me shoot it we just have to set up a date. Guess that will be a big determining factor eh?
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I have a internal and external extractor Kimber and no problems yet. The internal extractor gun has been my IDPA and IPSC gun for the last three years and good work horse. The gun never lets me down. The external gun is new with less than 1000 rounds.

In my game shooting I see lots of other Kimbers as well. The day I see a MIM part break I will be sure to let you all know. But I wouldn't hold your breath. I think it was about two years ago I did see a internal extractor kimber break an extractor. But I thought thats why Kimber went with the external extractor? This can't happen with a external gun!
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MIM means metal injected moulding and is a process whereby metal powder is mixed with a resinous material under heat and pressure and is injected into a mold to form a particular part. Kimber (and a lot of other reputable gun manufacturers) include some MIM parts in their guns. Early on MIM parts picked up the reputation as not being as reliable as straight metal parts. While the technology has improved a great deal the old reputation lingers on and many folks will hesitate to buy a gun with MIM parts. FWIW!

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I also went through three Kimbers they could not get to work or stay working. The first was a SS Ultra Carry. 5x back to Kimber for various problems. Never was right. After some hassle they replaced the Gun with the same model. 3x back to Kimber. Couldn't fix.
They sent me a 4" barreled, steel frame Pro Carry (one of the problems was that both Ultra Carrys frames cracked at around 2000 rounds, no more Kimber aluminum frames). They guaranteed me the last one would work. It did for about 7 magazines. Then fte again. Traded it even on a Stainless H&K that has been perfect.
All the guns had external extractors. Rough chambers, coming back not fixed, attitude at customer service,and so on. Dennis did try to help BTW. Some of my friends also have had problem Kimbers. Some have Kimbers that shoot great. For around $1000.00 plus or minus a damn gun should work from the box. When it did shoot it was shockingly accurate. Great trigger. Good looking gun. Just would not work.

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I've owned Springfields, Colt's, Smith & Wessons, and Kimbers, all in 1911 guise. In my humble opinion, Kimbers are the best. And I hope I can say this without offending too many on this forum, I prefer the EE and I would rather carry a Series II with the firing pin safety than the Series I. I never had any problem with the EE. They are the most robust, accurate and reliable 1911's I've ever owned or shot. I am not an official Kimber spokesman nor employed by the company. It would take quite a bit of typing to list the problems I've had with the other pistols with the exception of the Smith & Wesson.

and finally...but, as you can see, it's a hodge-podge of opinions:

Firearms brands get a bad wrap when they establish a pattern of certain types of problems, over and over.

Kimber makes a very nice product, when they do it right. Nice looking, good shooting, decently fitted and reasonably (not cheaply) priced.

However, they have had well publicised problems with extractors, grip safeties and fragile MIM constructed parts (other makers use MIM without a problem - so even if MIM is not to blame, the QC of Kimber's supplier is). On top of that, Kimber, like many 1911 producers, seems to occasionally produce frames or slides that are completely machined out of spec.

"Lemon" refers to an item which is singularly unusual in its problems. All makers have them. Problem trends are a different beast, and even great companies have those sometimes. Sig had a problem for about a year with their new QPQ finished slides abrading barrels. The reason we think of Sig as a good company is because they made a noticeable change to their guns to fix the problem. Plus, the instances of a mis-machined Sig, Glock, S&W, HK or Beretta are so rare that you'd be hard pressed to find examples.

Kimber, like Colt, seems to suffer the same sort of problems in waves. Tight 1911s are not easy pistols to build (as Sig found out) and apparently require more attention than more modern designs. But that's what you pay for.

If you purchase a Kimber, chances are you'll get an outstanding gun. But if you don't, it will probably bother you how much you spent to have the holes drilled off center or safeties breaking off - just as too many others have.

To date, S&W seems to be doing the best job making sub $1000 1911s (though you rarely hear of Dan Wesson problems, either). Of interest, S&W produced the first couple of years worth of Kimber frames and slides. S&W has produced very good metal framed autopistols for 50 years, so it will be interesting to see if the 1911 Gremlin will get into their production line, or if they'll apply their production expertise and keep making 1911s that don't act like 1911s.

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 8:30 PM

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Well I have shot the compact Kimbers and they are sweet. The recoil really isnt much different then your standard 1911. Here is where the but comes into play. My Dad bought a 600 dollar Colt and he took out the Dremel tool and polished up all the internals.He then bought a relatively in-exspensive trigger kit, and it shot just as good if not a touch better then the Kimber. The Kimber's are for guys that have the extra money to throw out there for show. A guy that is willing to do alittle work on a more reasonably priced 1911 can have a very nice shooting realiable hand gun.
My like to have a bit more in the mag then the 1911's allow for, so I like the double stack mags.IE Glocks, XD's, and S&W's I know there are others, but these are my preferences.

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 9:17 PM

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Makes sense man...I appreciate the input. I actually just ordered a Colt 1911, but it's from the Army Medevac guys here, with their patch/dates...etc on it, matched with a DPMS AR15--same markings. So, we will see how the Colt shoots (800 dollars) all in! Will let you know.

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 9:29 PM

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You will have to post some pics of them when you get them.

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 9:33 PM

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but I can share one "eyewitness" account. My wife and I attended the Front Sight four day Defensive Handgun course, and in a class of about 30 shooters there was one lady using a Kimber .45 [do not know the model, except to say that it was fairly compact]. She had continual malfunctions to the point that the supervisory instructor took the Kimber out of service and gave her a Glock. There had been talk of limp-wristing, but she never missed a beat with the Glock. The on-site Gunsmith basically said she should return the Kimber. This is a statistic of one, and as such has low significance, except when we heard the anecdotal Kimber "evidence" from the instructors: sort of something like, "so what's new?" "nuff said".

If i were going to consider a compact .45, I would have to consider the Para Carry12, based upon my experience with my Carry9----very well built, very reliable, very accurate, and easy to carry.

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 9:35 PM

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Hey, speaking of Para, the lady at the gun range said the same thing, she loves Para!

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 9:22 AM

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If she sells handguns, she has plenty of feedback from customers. There must be a reason she does not sell Kimber, but likes Para. I am not a "brand" chauvanist, but if I ever do go to a carriable .45, I will definitely look at the Carry12. One other reason is the LDA trigger--it is really sexy.

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 9:52 AM

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LLE am on Section 6

Very easy read. Is this fiction? Doesn't read like it. Had to find a file convertor from you ODT to Word 2003.

6 years 2 weeks ago, 10:46 AM

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I figured you might find a way to convert it, until I found why it won't transmit normally. I am glad you are finding it easy to read. Yes--it is actually fiction. The main character is fictitious, but he is imbedded in history. This is called, "Historical Fiction", and as the story goes on, you will see that the ending is an alternative to what happened with the characters who were "real". Doing it that way is called "Alternative History". But all of that is BS, as long as you enjoy it!!
Let me know.....Thanks.

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I will deffinantly have to agree on the sexy triggers on the PARA's. mmmhmmm. IMO the para is better looking than the kimber....doesnt mean much though. lol

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