I recently had a discussion with a co-worker who said that muzzle brake/compensators did not work. He even said that they didn't work with a rifle. I have shot a rifle with a muzzle brake on it and I did notice a difference. It wasn't a drastic difference but it was noticable. Especially when firing from a bipod. The first one only had holes on the top and sides and it did keep the rifle from lifting the bipod off the ground when fired. Of course this was when I was a very young teenager and possibly shooting a rifle a bit too large for me anyway. I did notice that I could fire more rounds before my shoulder got sore. Maybe it was in my mind but to me it worked. I've also heard that barrel bushing compensators for 1911's didn't work because they move back with the slide therefore they don't direct the gas upwards so I decided I would find out for myself. Anyone have any experience with these before I take it to the range to try for myself?
first off who ever told you compensators doin't work is just flat wrong..The guys will tell you i seldom make statements like that. i am cause duh.. ok.. will a compensator on a 22 be as effective as the snipers 50 cal barrett.. nope.. but theres a reason most in competion use them..
bit of history here.. for most of us shooters magnaport was the frist to do this on a commercial basis.. In the early days of practicle pistol.(ppc) and bowling pins i tried with a few diffrent weapons, and in late 87 i bought a 686 smith 6 inch that i paied WAY to much money to make into custom.. i make an effort to never talk about those things i can't authenticate with a photo, but think after a couple years my word should be enough on this one.. i had more changes on that piece than any other weapon ive ever owned.. to the point of changing the trigger group from stainless to reg steel based on stanless having a bit more drag.. at least thats what all the gun gurus said so i did it.. had the bbl cut to 5" had the forcing cone altered to i believe 17 degrees.. Not sure on that one.. DA only.. and two diffrent gunsmiths were responsible for a da trigger that allowed me to double tap (very VERY much for real)..with an auto.. this was and will remain one of the most important weapons i've ever owned.. Had visions of competting on a professional levil.. fact is i just wasn't good enough.. but of all the changes i made to this piece, including a stud protruding from the front of the trigger guard.. of all the changes, the one that made the most diffrence was when i had the second "smithie" drill six holes.. three on both sides at a 45 degree angle.. These were done straight down, and just flat worked..
obviously with an auto your effecting recoil spring rates as well.. and no expericance there at all, but it sure made a diffrence in my franken686
I figured they worked, now how much they work on this gun I'm curious to see. If it doesn't work or doesn't work good enough I'm only out a little bit of time. No real money invested. Already had the material, tools, and access to black oxiding equipment.
I'd like to hear how it works out. I have been curuous myself about pistols and compensators. If it helps check into a mercury filled guide bar or recoil dampener. They have limited snap in 1911's before. Really aids in recovery.
they are not allowed to make them anymore so I was told...
Buddy has two installed in his Glocks and his G32 compact in .357 Sig sure is a breeze to shoot next to shooting one without having it installed.
You still on? How was the trip? Did you harvest any?
will post an update as soon I get a chance to shoot it.
You friend evidently hasn't shot a pistol with the correct comp on it, the port generally go on top of the barrel.
They do not cut recoil down, they diminish muzzle flip on a pistol as muzzle brake do on a rifle.
Elwood Johnson ( Mr J ) at 92 years of age was shooting Billy's Performance Center Snub Nose 629 full full power Magnum loads and giggling his ass off shooting 3 inch groups at 35 feet.
He is probably repeating one of the arguments that has popped up on Sniper Central, Sniper Hide or The Higher Ground which has been put on a number of the ( I know everything about everything, self promoting web sites that plagiarize other qualified sites ) ...
Of course, your friends shooting next to you on the long range are going to be reconsidering liking you when you squeeze of that Barret with the Arrow Head Muzzle Break and they find that they are suddenly inside a blast of over pressured air. LOL
You definitely feel it, to the bones, in the lungs and between the ears.
Love the comment about the Arrow Head Muzzle Break. By the way, I did not say "friend" I said co-worker. He is a great guy but you guessed it pretty much ISD. He is a know it all about everything. If he reads it, sees it online, or hears it from one of his buddies it has to be true and then according to him it is something that he has done and not something he heard. That is why I don't argue with him. I will give him credit he does have a lot of knowledge but sorting through the truth and the "hear-say" truth can be extremely hard.
yeah, I deal with that with smithing sometimes.
Matt down at the range and Chuck, both of them. Someone will ask me if this can be done or that can be done and one or both of them will pop up and get in the middle of it and explain how it won't work. I just let them gone on and when they are done I'll talk with the person sitting outside having a smoke.
Take the pistol home and do the work then bring it back with the changes which they claimed couldn't be done.
Converting a CZ 75b from DA/SA to SA with a 1.5 lb trigger one time, another time was converting an SP01 to DOA...
Other things like that....
One guy I had heard about which everyone calls "Big Mike" was sitting across from me one afternoon. No one introduced us, I listened to him for about an hour, everyone else got up from the table and went back out on the range so it was only ED (Ranger Master) Big Mike and myself sitting there.
I introduced myself and said "I guess your the guy everyone calls Big Mike?" so he says "I don't know am I? Maybe people call me different things"
So I shook his hand and smiled and told him "Well I guess I'll call you asshole" ED spit coffee all over the table and Big Mike just sat there with a dumb look on his face...
well done John.
has almost if not completely come to a stop from what I have experienced. A lot of our motion sensing devices at work on the machines were originally filled with mercury but now we have to retrofit them to something else because the manufactures can't use mercury. I don't mind shooting the .45acp. In fact I love it. I don't need to reduce muzzle flip just want to see how it feels. More importantly it came down to the fact that I wanted to try one out and figured I'd just make one and see how it worked myself.
laughing at ISD, and "big mike"..
Well i guess i got all excited for a bit there didn't i.. just reread, and edited "some" of the spelling, think it was the obsurdity of the "not working" thing that pegged the "ruce ree" fingers of fury impersionation..
i haven't seen any of the sites ISD mentioned, but could see where someone on the back side of barrett would feel a bit of breeze.. sorta like the thrust reversers on jet engines..
you all have a pleasant evening, geezers bed time.... "I'll just call ya ass hole".. good stuff..
It figures that anything like that would have to be replaced 'cause of EPA probably. Oh well . Still the Taurus looks fun just the same.
Did you build or buy... my read is this was your build but not sure on it.. hows it attached,. i know the normal is a longer bbl, and threading the last quarter inch that now extends thru the bbl bushing. how did you attach yoiur's..
I made it. It is just a barrel bushing that I made stick out. The comp is the barrel bushing. Took measurements from my factory one and then added the extra length and made it a one piece bushing/comp. So it moves with the slide just a standard barrel bushing would just longer.
pretty cool idea.. lot of speculation on this, but im thinking not "quite" the compensator effect as taking the gas direct from the bbl.. quick reference.. Binellies work on divergent, convergent ducts is relavant here.. he showed that a convergent duct (coming together) increases pressue with a decrease in speed.. while a divergent (expanding) decreases pressure but increases speed.. So what you have is a divergent (ID of bbl to ID of the compensator) so the pressure has already dropped some already.. the other side of the coin is that you're still releasing pressure so obviously better than no redirection of gas, plus a flash hidder effect with yours..
How does that mass moving effect felt recoil, any problems with factory springs..
Your sorta blowing us out of the water here Trev.. build your own sights, get nutless's wife shooting MOA, and now ya scratch build a compensator on your luch hour..
Scared of what you and Hamp could do in your spare time.. build an ICBM or something..
I should be able to do it. I build things that have tighter tolerances and are more complicated all the time at work. Figured if I can't put those skills to work for myself then I need to get into a different business. Now the wife shooting MOA not quite. I must have said something wrong or maybe you missread something. She shoots ok and can keep things on the target but definitely not MOA and after a clip or two she gets terrible. But she has fun so thats what counts and she is getting good enough that if she HAD to hit something critical she probably could.
your advice to nitris's on his sight replacement..
I had seen this type of barrel bushing comps being sold through a lot of places from $25-50 bucks. I don't have a clue of how well it will work, definitely not as well as one that was screwed onto the barrel due to the expanding as soon as they leave the barrel vs hitting the slots while the bore is still the same size as the barrel itself. That is one main reasons I made it. Wasn't going to spend money on something I am not sure of the function yet. If I notice a difference I might order a longer threaded barrel or just a longer barrel and thread it myself for a screw on barrel but I'm not going to do that until I decide if it is even worth it or not. I should notice some difference and if not I won't put the time or money into a different barrel.
i have no idea if this has been done or not, but it seems like a perfect part to make out of composite material.. ie the weight factor problem wouldn't exist.. you've got it on the expanding gas issue.. but what if the complensator was built (molded, formed what ever is correct) out of light weight composite.. easy to make it in an ID that would allow the bbl to cycle, and at the same time the gas ports could be done in such a manor that it was direct back not just straight up.. i see this as ports on both sides so the sight is not obscured.. V sorta thing but cut on an angle to let the gas expand to the rear.. The weight factor would be a non issue, and a simple replacement for the bbl bushing just like you've already made.. whats that patent office 911 number.. and if this allready exists i swear im not aware of it..
I'm not sure what I think of the composite compensator. I think one of the things that actually helps on some firearms is the added weight up front when you add a compensator. That is just the way I feel. A few of the guys I work with have added "heavy tungsten guide rods" to their pistols and claim it helps with muzzle flip. I can see how it would help. That may be one of the reasons that people claim the type of bushing/comp like I made work, it adds weight to the front.
Now after I get a good chance to shoot the PT1911 ( damn I need to name her like I have my other weapons) with the comp on there and then without for comparison I will let you know what I think. Hell I might even make one just to "Test" a new theory. Never hurts trying. Hell I'll even call it the G.E. comp if it works or even if it just looks cool. I'm always looking for new tricks, trades, secrets, and ideas to make or modify. Now that I'm back into guns its just so much easier to focus that time and effort on the guns. Now if I ever get a mill at my house (hopefully by this summer) I will be trying all sorts of stuff including getting back to my knife work.
thanks for the GE thing, but all yours dude.. i do have an idea for a sight that im going to throw at you since you have the skills.. i had this idea back in my "serious" shooting days.. checked at the time, and noone had this so i actually drew up the plans.. Never went with a patent so "if" it's still a new idea all yours if you want it..
My idea was for a flip pistol sight.. something like some rifles have.. We all know our current sight systems are one size fits all.. so how bout an L shaped rear flip sight.. the standard condition is a wide open U that would allow for quick target aquizition (fix the sp check pard) deal here is that it's wide enough to allow the shooter to focus on front sight period.. mine even had cut away bevels at the inside top of both sides.. and again WIDE.. then your other option is a flip to a narrow rear sight thats also higher.. more accurate with the narrow rear, and higher for a sight focus of say 100 yds..
again if this is out there it wasn't when i came up with it, and honestly don't know if anyone has it on the market or not.. last time i checked i looked at a bowmar catalog, and havent "visited" any web sites on this.. making a point on this as i can't believe someone hasn't come up with the idea.. I didn't pursue it as this was back before the era of legal zome.. and the first thing i found out was the cost of a pattent attorney, and figued that the odds of iit being a seller werent worth the cost of investment..
i hear what you say.. i'm wondering if the weight of those guide rods might be diffrent from weight on the slide tho.. in other words the guide rods don't move. from my experiance it seems that a lot of the percieved recoil is how heavy the slide is compared to the frame.. the more weight that gets thrown around the more energy is stored as that old "potential energy" thing in the recoil spring..
made the mistake of trying to shoot well with a light weight commander.. nope.. good carry piece but not for quick target pick up as the frame just didn't have the weight to off set the slide weight.. that same weapon with the heavier combat frame was much easier to handle..for me the best of all worlds is a light weight slide on a heavy frame..
I know this much Trev, you've come up with a neat piece of work, and know you could make that sight idea work if you want to invest the time or even think it's a worth while idea..
I played around with the idea today. Made a couple of rough sketches. I might give it a shot and see what I think with the sight.
remember the basic here is that 90 degree L with the "flip going narrow and higher..for a 9MM an incerase in the rear sight height of an eights of an inch should put the impact point close at 100 yds. least thats what i was playing with.. the standard position would be the same height as stock sights but a lot wider for quick target pick up.. Got this idea from some of the early shooters who would actually remove the rear sight.. for quick up close stuff its just in the way of the front sight.. So my thought was optimize the rear for up close and duh.. long range with a simple flip..
I think having the ability to shoot better close, and then change to a long range sight just makes since as opposed to one size fits all..