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Todds Gen4 G17 initially having PMS problems....notice the serial no. ;)

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 5:19 PM

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I wondered if it might not be the slide stop or the ejector causing the gen4 issues...

Will be good to know, thanks for the heads up so I'll have some idea of what it is when people ask.

Oh and the 220 is sweetness defined?

I love all my brothers 220's, hell, all his Sig's...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 44 weeks ago, 6:02 AM

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Yea I just thought I would inform people. I think its great what Todd does over at pistol-training.com he answers a lot of questions about a guns service life etc. Plus with all the controversy over the Gen4, I thought people would like to know how to fix them and go back to good ol' glock reliability. As for the W. Germany P220, it is a real gem. Classic look and a solid work horse. I put a few hundred through it last weekend and it felt great. No hiccups, no nothin, just straight outta the box from 20 years ago, still reliable and accurate as ever. The trick with the P220(which is an excellent choice especially for people who dont like carrying a 1911 cocked and locked) is that you want to get either a w. german one like I have with the old internal extractor or a newer one with an external extractors. Most of the reliability issues with the P220 stemmed from the new internal extractor they tried to use around 2004 which gave them a lot of problems, so you really wanna get one with an older internal extractor or an external extractor. If anyone needs help identifying between the two internal ones let me know I wouldnt mind elaborating on the subject.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 9:07 AM

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Yes the newer internal extractor caused issues across the board with all models pretty much. My brother has a few 220's, even one in 38 Super of all things. Personally I like his 226 Elite in 40 or 357, it is a one hole shooter out to 45 feet and hit's like a 9mm when in 40. 357 is a little more recoil but not much really, then again begin all Stainless Steel helps with that.

The only thing I might do to the one you have is purchase the SRT kit and install it myself. The Short Reset Trigger is extremely sweet.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 44 weeks ago, 7:57 PM

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I cant decide if I want to upgrade the P220 to night sights and SRT trigger, and new grips etc, or if I should just keep it as is. It is a W. Germany made P220 and I kinda like the classic look to it, but at the same time, it would be nice to have a SRT trigger, and night sights. Not sure if I wanna mess with it. Im not sure if that would make it degrade the value making it unoriginal w. german or not, but I probably will not be able to keep it in such good shape because I plan on carrying it and shooting it.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 8:06 PM

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Yes it would decrease in value if you did not keep the original parts and put them back on it when sold. But again, you could always swap it all back if you decided to sell it.

Personally I wouldn't sell it, ever. I would be looking for one of the SS WGerman models to go with it though.

Those are the desirable one for collecting, West German, Military Issue is best but Police Issue are good also. The Commercial West German Sig's are also great to hang onto also...

You got a real keeper there for sure.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 6:43 AM

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Yea I don't ever plan on selling it I have a thing for HK and Sigs they are my favorite pistols I don't ever plan on getting rid of any of the guns I have now as they are all HK and Sig. I'm tryin to collect them. I'd really like to get my hands on one of the W. German P220 Sport Stock I think its called. Its all nickel or stainles I believe with wood grips. Not a big fan of wood grips on guns but I can change those. Do you know which ones are worth more between stainless w german and nickel? Sounds like you may know more about them then I do.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 10:29 AM

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SigSauer 220 SS Sport .45 acp
Tack driving 45 acp.... At 25 yards shooting 1 inch Dots it is one round a dot.

This is one of the Pistols my Brother has. Not cheap but well worth the price he paid for it $1200.00 through a friend who owns a local Gun Shop who happened to have three put back.

The Competition pistols all bring a good price, X-series, Sports, etc.

All the Nickel versions are all Special Editions so would bring more, Stainless versions are priced better in my opinion because people think Nickel is Gold.

We have Stainless 220's pass across the counter anywhere between $500.00 - $700 used but well cared for now and then. Often enough I would not pay over $500.00 for a used 229 or 226 no matter what the condition. The 220 is another story, I've seen a 220 SRT/SS with two barrels, standard and threaded, three 10 round mags and Wood case go for $900.00 between friends.. So, those are hard to value off hand...

The most expensive is going to be almost any of the Sig P210 pistols.

SIg Sauer p210 right side
Single Stack 9mm which has the most 100 meter target records in the World. Sighted in from the factory at 50 meters.

Sig Sauer p210 left side
Left hand view of SIg p210

Sig Sauer p210-2 Swiss Military Issue
Military Issue Sig p210-2's are extremely desirable

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 43 weeks ago, 4:01 PM

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I would love to have a P210, I saw one in a different shop nearby a few weeks ago, but I think it was one of the newer reproduction ones it was going for well over 2 grand though. Although, if I was to spend 2k on a pistol, Id probably get a Mark 23 just because they are a legendary HK pistol that every HK fanatic dreams of owning someday.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 4:27 PM

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yeah, I'd love to own a p210 also, but any where from $2500 - $5000 for a single stack 9 mm without using it for Competition is too far out there for me. I mean as a safe queen that was pulled out now and then to shoot a box through would be great, but....

Dan Okon had a all Stainless HK45 back in 1984 that I really liked. Wish I knew the model and could find one... It was sweet for sure.

My next Pistol is the Sig 226 Elite 40/357 Stainless, Toss'oh sells me anything at his cost so I'll pick it up for just over $800.00.

But I have to pick up the Sig 556 Classic he is holding for me before that. It's an older model which resembles the 550 with the single stage combat trigger and heavier barrel than the ones they are selling now. Sig put a lighter barrel on the new Classic and a two stage trigger ( I can not understand why ) so they could attempt to draw new buyers.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 43 weeks ago, 5:34 AM

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Yea it wasnt a USP because it wasnt out yet then, it was probably a P9S in 45 which I also would like to have haha. The P9S is a great pistol, either that or it was a very very rare P7 in .45 which I have only heard that they made but have never actually seen one, not sure if its true or not, I know the P7 came in 9mm, and .40(P7M10) but not so sure about the .45.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 10:00 AM

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It was a PS9 in fact. Very nice shooter and not an anchor even though all metal.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 6:39 PM

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I have heard they are very nice shooters, Id really like to get my hands on one and get a feel for it. They are kinda like a weird looking 1911 in that they are thin, have close to same grip angle, etc. Everybody loves 1911s and I like them too, but something like a P9S really is MY 1911 type of gun.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 7:55 PM

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P7 M7

Found out there was a prototype for a P7 in .45 called the P7 M7. Not sure if any were released or how many if they were, but I want one! :)

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