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The rings are an inch wide... hmmm... actually those four shots are MOA... amazing the control you have with the 7.62x54R cartridge

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 8:38 PM

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 8:45 PM

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I do have a breathing

I do have a breathing problem (too much smoking) but I forgot to rotate this... tilt your head 90 degrees to the right and thats the true picture

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 8:41 PM

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I didn't say it wasn't possible. Just not common. And easier to do with an average hunting rifle. The fact is the 7.62x54R round is good if you want a cheap gun and cheap ammo. it will never compare, however, to the .308 or .30-06. For every MOA mosin nagant, I'm sure there are a few sub-MOA hunting rifles in .308 or -06

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 9:00 PM

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But that's an argument about the rifle and the shooter not the round... mosin's were made between 1891-1946 if my history serves me right... if you're referring to current hunting rifles come on that's just not fair 60 years of rust in a box isn't fair to an NIB Remington 700... even if you're not Russian weather is a bit harsher compared to the U.S. or Europe... The toll on the rifles was equal to as the men... isn't the Russian weather listed as a reason for defeat of the Nazi's at Stalingrad next to their insurgent sniping abilities...

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 9:26 PM

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[quote=TacDoc]But that's an argument about the rifle and the shooter not the round... mosin's were made between 1891-1946 if my history serves me right... if you're referring to current hunting rifles come on that's just not fair 60 years of rust in a box isn't fair to an NIB Remington 700...

You accused me of comparing rifles and not just the rounds and now you're doing it.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 9:44 PM

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Thats not a change I made the comment on the other post that at the time a computer barely fit into a room...

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 8:50 PM

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oh and by the way that isn't the 91/30 it's the M44...

but you're still nit picking a few hundreds of an inch doesn't matter when you're knocking someone in the head...

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 8:49 PM

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That's why I said vertical string. Seen as-is would be a horizontal string and would indicate poor trigger control or inconsistent sight picture.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 8:53 PM

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no really I meant the shoot a "J" around it i'm not kidding that was all intentional I wish the 5th shot was alittle closer to the group but I can't argue with the results...

I'm sorry I thought you were referring to the floater...

It looks alittle more like a sloppy L but eh it'll work

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 8:57 PM

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How am i nit-picking?

Here's the deal. You chose the mosin nagant for one of two reasons; cheap gun and ammo, or nostalgia. There is no other reason. It can work for hunting, sniping, plinking, whatever. Of course. How many bench rest shooters or professional marksmen use it? No one if they have a different choice. the 7.62x54R is chosen because with an understanding that it is not the most effective or accurate round in its class. I carry a 9mm, but it is because ammo is cheaper to allow for more practice. I also understand that the .40 or .45 are more effective as defensive rounds, but I am willing to sacrifice some effectiveness for economy and low recoil. It's a tradeoff, just like your Mosin.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 9:00 PM

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Don't get me wrong

I want a Mosin Nagant, but that's because i want the primary longarm and sidearm of each major power in WW2. My first choice based on accuracy would definitely not be a Mosin.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 9:10 PM

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It's difficult to discuss the accuracy of the round itself if you are going to discount the ballistic coefficient (sp). However, if the round itself had near the accuracy potential, than why aren't professional benchrest shooters and long range marksmen, people who chamber some practically unknown wildcat cartridges, people who have the option of shooting whatever caliber they want, not using rifles chambered for the 7.62x54R round? It's just not as good a round as the others we were discussing.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 9:22 PM

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No i did not expect it to be the best when I got it, I didn't buy it, it was given to me by a friend as an 18th birthday present... but I have come to love it... It has proven to me over and over that it is a worth rifle despite it's price (which is more economic than it is based on craftsmenship)

as for the professional benchrest and marksmen the reason they don't use it is not cause of accuracy... I will give my reason in a second

(can we agree that most of them handload their own rounds?)

the reason they don't use it is because the 54R has a boxed primer which and this is a quote from a benchrest shooter "is incredibly difficult to put that sumabitch in there right" to reload a 7.62x54R you need more specialized tools to reload them which costs more money so they're sacrificing too... that same benchrest shooter loves Mosins mroe than me and keeps one in his truck as a "self defense" weapon personally i'd choose a shotgun but whatever and he has reworked probably 10 or so 91's to be "sniper rifles" but why would a benchrest shooter rework them and waste his money if they were so inherintely inaccurate compared to other rifles

accuracy isn't always about the bullet though... it does have more to do with the shooter and rifle then the bullet... there's way too much at play to blame it on the bullet...

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 9:38 PM

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Here's my point

The 7.62x54R cartridge does not have the same accuracy potential as the .308 or the .30-06. This relative lack of potential is the reason rifles chambered for it are not mass-produced by major gun companies in America. People who buy the Mosin Nagant do so because they don't want to spend the money for the superior weapons chambered for the superior cartridges, or for nostalgic/historic/collector reasons. The round will work for medium or big game, but is not as good as the majority of the .30 cartridges prevalent in America.

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 9:46 PM

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I think a challenge needs to be issued to prove this I doubt the testing has been done to show the potential of one over the other

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5 years 25 weeks ago, 4:44 AM

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As for the group, nevermind what I said about vertical string. it took me a bit for it to sink in that you weren't shooting a group. I'm a bit slow on the uptake sometimes.

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if a handload change to a different primer, increase or decrease powder charge, what the location of your shooting bags if used.
But not a bad group over all.

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