Scam in gun shop germanguns.de

Scam in gun shop germanguns.de

14 of april i sent the payment to mr. Claus Horst Carl Chowanietz from www.germanguns.de as it was stipulated in the invoice(payment details are in picture).
he listed me his prices and subtotal with delivery cost to Moscow.
i sent him 1090 EUROS and begin to wait parcels .
2 months passed and there was nothing for me.
that guy always use tactic to point your view on his unreliable friends such as nickname "optikswiss" (he told me that his friend - who helped him to serve me went on holidays - after that he was in car accident and so on...)
but scam is scam - they did not even connect me and apologize - did not refund money.
So beware of scam
I open topic on this term

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8 years 3 weeks ago, 5:48 PM

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damn it!!

track his ass down, get your gun and your money.

7 years 25 weeks ago, 2:18 AM

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who scam who

Hi!

I´m Ross from Washington.
My son in law gave me this afternoon that link.
I bought from the german company germanguns a lot of things over the past years. I must say I´m very satisfied.
From 83 til 97 I was working at the army base in Stuttgart - germany.
like I wrote i had no bad experiense with germanguns, so I could believe our russian friend. so I began my search .
Here the facts I found:
Claus from germanguns sells at ebay and has 976 feedbacks.
He also sells at a german gun site egun.de ( similar to our gunbroker ) and the feedbacks are 1319 !!!!
that makes almost 2.300 goof feedbacks .

Now what I found about our russian friend.
First, when I looked at his picture, it´s maybe a transaction invoice, it shows zurick. That is a city in switzerland, not germany.
But the next thing is even better. about that Klimenko you can found in a couple of blogs. It´s about cheque fraud. I think every from us know about that persons who sends false cheques with higher value as the price and the seller has to send the difference by western union to another person.
They send them money and the item, and after a couple of days the cheques comes back to you. False, no money, no item.
there is also a web site that warns from that klimenko guy:
http://www.geocities.com/stopchequefraud/

So now , see what we have.
On one side a company with 2.300 feedbacks.
On the other side our russian friend as criminel !!!!

So I have to ask the guys who speak after klimenkos add.
´ Didn´t you proof any of that was klimenko says in his add ?
Shame on you !!!!!

Sgt. Ross Mitchell, US-Army

7 years 39 weeks ago, 8:17 PM

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Vasek

Sorry to hear that. Do we have anyone in Germany, who can help a friend out.

samD

7 years 38 weeks ago, 3:04 PM

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I dont have friends in Germany so i cant ask anybody for help me.
But if somebody can - the adress of Claus Chovanietz is on his site www.germanguns.de -
Emil - Kuttler - Str. 11
79689 Maulburg
Germany

Do somebody have rotten eggs ?

beware of scam
7 years 39 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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gunslot commuity

Maybe we should bombard this "ass clown" with negative E-mails, I myself hate a fking thief.

when they've read me my last rights one of them will be to keep and bear arms.
7 years 38 weeks ago, 4:02 PM

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Agreed

But realistically, your money is gone and unless you need some satisfaction i.e., sending hate mail or whatever it would cost you more money than it is worth to go tracking the guy down. That's why I always try to ask everyone on here if they had any deailings with the place where I am purchasing from. I only have experience with STAG Arms (online purchases) and they were good. I am sorry to hear about your bad experience though...everyone should help you try to get the word out. I do have two friends in Germany, but realistically I am not sure they would be able to do anything either.

Patrolman Kato
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They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone
under independence. -- George Washington
7 years 38 weeks ago, 4:51 PM

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I e-mailed him with an angry e-mail with a picture of the slip...he wrote back "WHAT"
HAHAHAHAHA

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7 years 38 weeks ago, 4:55 PM

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ok

Someone should call him, claiming to be Interpol or something along that line...

Patrolman Kato
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.
They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone
under independence. -- George Washington
7 years 38 weeks ago, 5:09 PM

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spam

what if his e-mail was flooded everyday with thousands of spam!!

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5 years 47 weeks ago, 8:47 AM

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We had the same problem with Claus - sent him money but got no product.
We should be getting our refund today, thanks to some help from the German Chapter of the Assocation of Certified Fraud Examiners.
Gather your documentation - copies of emails were he promises to send something for a certain price, your proof that you sent the money, emails where he said it shipped (but of course it didn't) and any followup emails where you ask for information and he ignores you.
Then contact the police in Germany at this email:
[email protected]
Make sure to reference Claus (full name) and website address.
The more complaints they get about him the more they will do.
Please contact any other forums where you have seen people who have gotten burned by Claus & share this info.
Thanks,
Associate Member of the Assocation of Certified Fraud Examiners

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