This is the second in our series on the Finnish Tkiv Sniper Rifles, the Tkiv 2000, Lapua Magnum.

This is the second in our series on the Finnish Tkiv Sniper Rifles, the Tkiv 2000, Lapua Magnum.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 6:56 PM

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The Tkiv 2000

Here is the Valmet Tkiv 2000 chambered in 8.6mm x 70mm Lapua Magnum. The following stats are official and taken from the official website of the Finnish Defense Force. The picture above is copyright of the Finnish Defense Force.

Caliber: .338 Lapua Magnum
Weight: 7 kg unloaded and without a optics
Feed System: 5 round box magazine
Rate of fire: 8 to 10 rounds per minute
Range: 1300 meters

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 6:58 PM

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sleep..goodnite ryo

i am outta here

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 8:14 AM

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kinda makes me smile...who would be mad at them.?? its like the SWISS GUARD..lol

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 7:01 PM

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well you been saying this for like 3 hour now. lol!

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 7:48 AM

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yes i finally got to bed last nite and then my phone rings at 530 this morning..my trucks are stuck at SNOQUALMIE PASS in washington state and are going to be late making their deliveries...and i was hopeing for a quiet weekend

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 9:22 AM

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ryo just got home from swim practice about 15 minute ago. had easy practice today because it friday. just work on couple of difficult dive and work on team planning and strategy for the big meet coming up next thursday. am sorry to hear about your truck trouble and hope thing will work out for your business very soon today.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 6:35 AM

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Very nice 338 Lapua Mag rifle. They did not have down the lenght of barrel on the site ka Nice little write up you guys. :-)

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 7:58 AM

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Let me guess, a rock slide ??

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 8:11 AM

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not this time charley

charley9toe wrote:
Let me guess, a rock slide ??

the fog is so thick on over the pass, u need a machete to hack your way along and a few trucks and a few cars got together..well when that happenes they just close the pass..open up at daybreak ..i hope..well where late so it doesnot matter now

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 8:43 AM

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Barrel length

I would wager the overall barrel length at 30".

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 9:26 AM

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victor chan: thank you

we hope you and many other here at Gunslot will enjoy our new serie on the Valmet Tkiv sniper rifle. unfortunately the FDF website not give any information on the length of the barrel to this weapon and a number of important specs were also left out. have other sources and are looking into this. will get back to you when and if we can discover this information.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 9:30 AM

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seem like very good wager there. if gauge from size of young warrior and length of the arm and some other clues in this picture. little brother suggest the trees in the background behind the rifle and the bipod also give an idea along with the length of the arm, that this rifle barrel is most likely 30 inches long. the website of the Finnish Defence Force does not cite any information on the length of the barrel though. self and little brother are looking into this with other sources we have and will get back to you if we discover this information accurately.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 9:44 AM

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Sako TRG 22/42

The commercial name is the Sako TRG 22 or 42. The TRG 22 is chambered for the 7.62 NATO/.308 Win, while the TRG 42 is chambered for the .300 Winchester Mag or the .338 Lapua Mag. Other specs are as follows:

Specifications
Weight:
7 kg (10. 4 lb) empty (TRG-22)
5. 1 kg (11. 2 lb) empty (TRG-42)

Length:
1150 mm (45. 28 in) (TRG-22)
1200 mm (47. 24 in) (TRG-42)

Barrel length:
660 mm (25.8 inches) (TRG-22)
690 mm (27. 17 in) (TRG-42)

Cartridge:
.308 Winchester (TRG-22)
.300 Winchester Magnum (TRG-42)
.338 Lapua Magnum (TRG-42)

Effective range:
800 m (875 yd) (TRG-22 .308)
1,100 m (1,203 yd) (TRG-42 .300 Win. Mag).
1,400 m (1,531 yd) (TRG-42 . 338 Lap. Mag).

Feed system 5, 7 or 10 round box magazine

Sights aperture rear (with flip-up open tritium night/combat sight).

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 9:51 AM

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while not a member of NATO, Finland is an important ally of the United States both economically and militarily and they have been since the founding of their country. the finns fought on the side of the allied forces in both world wars. they are native natural enemies of the former soviet union and to this day have a distinct dislike and distrust of the russian federation. they maintain powerful air, land, sea and space based forces to protect themselves from any potential threat. just before the outbreak of the second world war, the russian army attempted to invade finland and were repulsed by finn forces with over 139,000 russian dead and well over a quarter million wounded, captured or missing. an entire russian army group was annihilated by finn forces before the crush of superior russian reserve numbers overwhelmed the finns. later in the war the finns tied up a large number of nazi forces and kept them out of france for the invasion.
today the finns are fiercely independent people and while allied with the west, they tend to like their snowy homeland and attempt to stay out of other people's business as much as they want other countries to stay out of their's.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 9:55 AM

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Re Barrel length; I looked at an estimated length of pull at 13-14". Extrapolated that to the chamber and then to the end of barrel, Plug in 7kg w/o (stuff)= length as 30".

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 10:06 AM

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thanks very much for this information.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 10:31 AM

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according to the information given by runawaygun san, the barrel length is 27.17 inches or 690mm. however as little brother and self look further into the literature on this, there is apparently some controversy about if the Sako and Valmet weapons are the same. On the Finnish Defence Force official home site, there is no mention of Sako at all. Sako and Valmet are two different government sponsored defense contractors for small arms in Finland. Sako and Wikipedia claim in the text that the Sako TRG was designed independently of any other rifle. but in the notes and references given at this page it is claimed that the Valmet Tkiv 2000 is the same rifle as the Sako Trg 42. however on the Finnish Defense Force page, the manufacturer is clearly given as Valmet and no mention of Sako is even made there. we don't know and are looking into this. it's a little difficult because the the FDF homepage is in Finnish and we are having to use computer translation until we get in touch with a friend of our pops who is of Finn descent and speaks Finnish. for the moment the references that runawaygun gave appear to be excellent, much more so than is usual for this type of article at Wikipedia. Sako claims one thing. The FDF apparently another. this is weird and we are investigating.
little brother and self really love that we have found such an interesting series of rifles to report on for the forum and we hope you and everyone else will enjoy what we find.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 10:34 AM

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Looking at this rifle

I'd have a hard time believing it's anything other than Sako. That was the first thing I said to myself when I saw this pic, prior to researching it.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 10:55 AM

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the picture above is from the FDF site, and was copied by Wikipedia. but if you look at this picture and the pictures of the Sako TRG 41 and 42 the Sako rifles do appear to be somewhat different than the Valmet Tkiv 2000. Sako manufactures small arms for commercial sale abroad. is it possible that the Sako is a commercial export version of the Tkiv ka this is really interesting and we are not yet prepared to say one way or the other. there is more than just a superficial likeness but the differences are distinct.
here is a picture of the Sako TRG 42.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sako_TRG_folding_stock_%2B_Zeiss_3-12x...

we don't know, but obviously there are distinct differences in the two rifles.

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5 years 28 weeks ago, 12:12 PM

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The word Tkiv is actually an acronym of the Finnish: Tarkkuuskivääri henkilömaaleja vastaan or "precision rifle, anti-personnel purpose," according to Wikipedia and confirmed by our computer translation program. The Finnish language is also an aglutinative language like Nihongo. This just mean that you can take two or more word and glue them together to make a different word. This is also possible in English, but English is not considered a primarily aglutinative language like Finnish or Nihongo.

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