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Apartment Complex Lifts American Flag Ban
An apartment complex in Albany, Ore. that banned residents from flying American flags outside their homes and vehicles has lifted the restriction, according to a story by KVAL.com.

The ban sparked outrage earlier this week when resident Jim Clausen was told he would be evicted from Oaks Apartments if he didn't remove the American flag from the back of his motorcycle, an earlier story by KATU.com said. Residents told KATU.com that they were told "flags could be offensive because they live in a diverse community," the story said, but the ban applied to all flags, including those representing sports teams.

Oaks Apartments manager Barb Holcomb told KVAL that the original ban was based on an interpretation of the rental agreement that all tenants sign, the KVAL story said, and was an effort to keep the peace.

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5 years 6 days ago, 12:26 AM

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This a bullshit reason for wanting to have the flag removed. Keep the peace my ass. All of America is diverse and Americans come from a diverse beginning. The American flag means "American" and does not signify ANY color, race, religion.......Keep the flag at all cost!!

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 10:58 AM

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multiculturalism in it's entirety. If you come to this country, you should be coming because you want to be an American, PERIOD. No other reason should be allowed and when you demonstrate an unwillingness to be an American and adopt, abide by and live by US laws and customs, then maybe you should be sent back. This type of thinking is going to destroy our country beyond repair...it's already started.

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 11:41 AM

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My ancestors came here at various times because they wanted to become Americans. They no longer wanted to be English, Irish or German. They came because of the freedom & opportunity that America provided. I don't care where someone comes from. I care that when they arrive here they embrace being American & give America their primary loyalty, learn & obey our laws & customs, honor our flag, & learn to speak, read & write American English. They don't have to forget their heritage, but they must become Americans. I don't like the custom of using hyphenated, made-up words. I'm not an Irish-American, or English-American, or African-American, or Indonesian-American. I'm an AMERICAN!

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 12:21 PM

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When i was in the service back in the sixtys i remember a few black guys saying afro-American, and EVERYBODY stoping it. Including senior black nco's. I clearly remember this had no "traction" even with mature blacks at that point. What happed. The only thing at the end of that road is being less than 100% American. The wife and i are both fourth generation Americans, and we remember relatives with strong accents. But these were accents, because they spoke english, and were so proud to learn and speak it.. What happened here did i take a long nap or what.

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 12:37 PM

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From now on if someone say's to me I am a (hyphenated)-American, I am going to ask them if they were born in Africa,Mexico,Arabia wherethefuckever. If they say no, then I am going to tell them, then you are an "American" Nothing else, you were born here you are a real American! Fuck 'em and their hyphens...

4 years 42 weeks ago, 1:03 PM

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because our government changed. We have slowly marched to liberalism, communism, socialism, statism over time. This has been known from the early days of the Republic. Our founding fathers knew that we would slowly march in this direction and put in place checks and balances to keep us as close as possible to their idea of government for as long as possible. Through history though, politicians have used "catastrophes" -- real and made up (Great Depression, WWI, Global Warming, Health Care Catastophe)to grab control of our country/people's minds. Worse yet, their mistakes screwed things up and they tell us that those mistakes could only be fixed with more government. I mean think about, human nature allows for many people to easily give into someone who says..don't worry, I will fix it, I will take care of you. It takes a strong mind and strong character to stand up and say..."No, I don't want your help". My father had to make a choice when he was in his mid-40's. His company told him (after 30 years of faithful work), that he could not take off two weeks to come out and see my daughter (his only grandchild/first grandchild) in South Dakota. He told the owner, fuck you...this is more important and he came to see us. I didnt' know it at the time, but he decided that his job was not going to dictate to him, especially when he truly felt he should be allowed to go, he rarely even took his vacations (maybe every 5-6 years he would take 1 week off). Anyway, when he got back from his visit, the owner told him apologize for going and for doing what he told him not to do and he would consider taking my father back. My father said, go fuck yourself and left, never to return...no retirement, no pension, no benefits, nothing. He never collected unemployment, never got food stamps, never got any assistance. Over the years he bought three houses, fixed them up himself, was renting them out for fair prices, but he worked long hours, created his own business, etc etc and my mother went back to work. He didn't bitch, didn't complain and never said a word to his previous boss...just went about life, he never considered a lawsuit (which I don't think he could have won anyway). But the bottom line is, my father took responsibility for my mother and my other two brothers, while I chipped in to help them out on my military salary (at the time probably 800 per month or so. But now, it seems like the number of people who are willling to take steps like this to ensure their families survive are too few. But as a society we have made it easy for folks to rely on others. On top of that, our politicians pit us against each other, they tell the poor that they are held down because of those who have all the money...but yet they (the politicians not only have big money, they also have the power). Our politicians are complete hypocrites and they don't have the best interest of the country at heart (a majority in my opinion anyway). Our founding fathers didn't want people to be career politicians, rather they wanted them to come to DC, serve for a period of time and go back to being citizens...this is how it should be, this is how it must be if we are to be a great nation in the future. I am so frustrated at this point...I mean, it hurts me to even write stuff like this...I mean, the fact that it even needs to be written/said. We have gotten so far away from what was meant to be. Like the health care...yes, Obama is correct that people should be able to afford health care, but there are other ways that would help ensure this. However, we as taxpayers are going to pay for some of their health care, plus they receive welfare (more of our money) and food stamps, etc etc. Now, don't get me wrong, I know at times people need help, but having someone on welfare for most if not all of their life, not to mention generations is ridiculous. People are not entitled to my money for healthcare when at the same time they have a car or two car, X-box, play station, are drinking alcohol, smoking, doing drugs, etc...I am not responsible for their bad choices. If you really want to stand on your own feet...you can, barring a physical/mental problem. My father didn't finish High School, he went into the Army and got his GED finally, he was smart enough and resourceful enough to do ok...why can't others?

I apologize for the length of this...but I am so pissed off right now. I believe the only way we can get the country back is an armed revolution..honestly, I am not saying we should all go out and do it, but what I am saying is that through the current political system, we can at times slow the march towards statism, but we are not, have not and will not stop it by using the system we have in place now. We are literally screwed in the current configuration. Even Ronald Reagan grew the federal government...at least I think this is true. Maybe at a less greater rate, but still it grew...I will check on this fact and reply when I find the stats.

Greg, you are right...I am not Irish-American, I am and will always be American, my great grandmother came from Ireland, but she was American, she sacraficed a lot so the rest of us could have a better life. I am not picking on anyone, and I am not racist at all...not a bit. But, think about this: Why is that so many Asians come to America and seem to do quite well...I mean, they learn English, they learn our business ways, they open up businesses, they live 8-10 to a house for a generation until they get their roots set in and they seem to thrive in the US, just look around, I don't know the stats, but I would bet that Asians as a percentage, do better than Blacks and Hispanics (even if those blacks and hispanics were born in the US) when it comes to thriving in the US. It would be interesting to check on this. I had a gf in Allentown PA, from Vietnam (her mother and father were imprisoned by the communists in their country before escaping and making to the US). They are doing quite well, the girl (Tracy) works very hard, is divorced, raises her two kids, and has her parents living with her (until recently--they are both out on their own now and they don't even speak English!). She lives in a new home now and her kids are both straight-A students and the top students in their respective grades in the school!!! We as a country (natives) have become lazy and expect to be handed things on a silver platter. This current generation I believe will go down as one of the worst ever (although that could be my age speaking...haha). Sorry again for the length.

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 1:11 PM

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things. Everytime we are stonewalled, National Security thrown at us, Attorneys, judges and politicians negating our vote. They don't seem to to be leaving us (citizens) many viable options other than armed conflict. I am not promoting this as the solution, but if the time comes, then this may be all we can do.

4 years 42 weeks ago, 2:55 PM

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I notice more citizens displaying the American flag who have good intentions but do not display the flag correctly. If they do not display the flag correctly I would rather that they not display it at all. There is a good webpage that shows the correct way to display our colors. That picture of the motorcycle is an example of the wrong way to fly our flag. Im sure the person who installed the flag on that bike has the best intentions but they need to read up on correct display. Lets fly our flag with pride!

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/more/displayonly.htm

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 3:18 PM

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I honestly don't see whats wrong with how he's got it displayed on the scoot. Thats the way we always did it, and missed info saying otherwise in the link you provided. Great link by the way, and i absoluty agree about how our flag is displayed. I hate seeing it unlit at night, or used for "advertising" purposes. Fill us in buddy, whats the error on the bike.

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 7:51 PM

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Okay, I looked into this further. Seems that flying a flag at the rear of a motorcycle is acceptable. I was always taught that displaying a flag on a vehicle was at the front. It pertains to automobiles in that respect. I was mistaken. My bad.

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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Yeah

Honestly, not sure if it really states how it should be displayed on the bike...but then again, if you think about it, our flag should not be used as graphics on a hat, shirt, pants, as stickers, tablecloths for 4th of July etc...if you read the US Flag Code you will see that we are all guilty of displaying it incorrectly or at least using it inappropriately.

some more links too

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html

http://www.usflag.org/flag.etiquette.html

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 5:09 PM

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Heard last summer that as part of vets act that was signed into law last fall ALL ex military can salute the flag. Not just uniformed, and the part that i would like to have confirmed has to do with being coverd or not. Per the local Legion (we don't have a VFW) if you are ex military and uncovered you can still salute the flag, as opposed to the hand over heart protocol we all follow. I would like that confirmed, and if it is the case i wish it was made public knowledge. I think it's a wonderful way to salute us vets. Being allowed to salute is an honor that really matters.
I am NOT GOING TO RANT ABOUT OBARRY SALUTING... HONEST IM NOT!!

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 5:24 PM

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That is what I read and heard:

http://www.eielson.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123064483

8/14/2007 - WASHINTON, D.C. -- U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) today praised the passage by unanimous consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to allow veterans and service personnel not in uniform to salute the flag.

Current law (US Code Title 4, Chapter 1) states that veterans and service members not in uniform should place their hand over their heart without clarifying whether they can or should salute the flag.

"The salute is a form of honor and respect, representing pride in one's military service," Senator Inhofe said. "Veterans and service members continue representing the military services even when not in uniform.
"Unfortunately, current U.S. law leaves confusion as to whether veterans and service members out of uniform can or should salute the flag. My legislation will clarify this regulation, allowing veterans and service personnel alike to salute the flag, whether they are in uniform or not."

"I look forward to seeing those who have served saluting proudly at baseball games, parades, and formal events. I believe this is an appropriate way to honor and recognize the 25 million veterans in the United States who have served in the military and remain as role models to others citizens. Those who are currently serving or have served in the military have earned this right, and their recognition will be an inspiration to others."

This Bill was passed July 25, 2007.

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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1877

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 5:33 PM

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Thats to cool brother, thanks.. By the way i was so moved by your story about your Dad that i put it in the post section so it will be around for others to read. The comments don't last very long, and that story about your Dad was great.
As is the news about us being able to salute.. I wish the media would get on this and let the american public know.. Im a news junkie, and if it were not for something from the local legion i wouldn't have known!

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4 years 42 weeks ago, 6:02 PM

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This is great news

but how come we have to always find out about it from everyone but the press?

America is not at war. The U.S. Military is at war. America is at the Mall. If you don't stand behind our troops, PLEASE feel free to stand in front of them!
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