very nice copy of the russian mosin-nagant no?
Do these soldiers look like brothers or even twins to anyone besides us? Also don't they look even too young to be soldiers or is this just a Finnish thing?
The Valmet Tkiv is a very interesting rifle. It is chambered in a unique cartridge. The Russian 7.62mm x 54R will not fire from this rifle. According to sources some of the parts of these rifles are from the 1890s! They have been remanufactured with new barrels and magazines. The Finns have also designed a brand new Tkiv sniper rifle called the Tkiv 2000. If anyone is interested, we are considering doing a series on this very interesting sniper rifle.
Here are the specs, and please keep in mind these are from Wikipedia and those people are often loose and easy with details like specs.
Finnish military police practicing with 7.62 TKIV 85 rifles.
Type Sniper rifle
Place of origin Finland
In service 1984 - present
Used by Finnish Defence Forces (FDF)
Manufacturer Valmet, FDF Asevarikko 1
Produced 1984 - 1985
Weight 7 kg (15.4 lb)
Length 1300 mm (51.2 in)
Action Bolt action
Rate of fire 8-10 rounds/min
Effective range 800 m (875 yd)
Feed system 5-round magazine, loaded with 5-round charger clips
Sights Zeiss Diavari 1.5-6x42 or
Schmidt & Bender 4x36 telescopic sights
Simrad KN 250/252 F nightscope
Source 1. Valmet
Source 2. Wikipedia
Source 3. Finnish Military Small Arms: Jane's Defence
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the only difference between the russian 7.62x54r and the finnish 7.62x53r is the bore size. the finns captured many russian rifles in the early parts of the 20th century. while the russians use a .311 bore size[like the brittish 303], the finns use a .308 bore size. in essence, this was done so that finnish ammo could be used in captured russian rifles and not vise versa.
The picture above is copyright of the Finnish Defense Force.
The Tkiv is in fact designed after the Mosin-Nagant Russian rifle. Very good eye neh.
hey that's really interesting to know. very clever those Finns neh.
just demonstrates the biggest use of this forum...the exchange of good information
our family really enjoy coming to this forum. pops have been very busy of late working on new book under contract. since he retire from work in the field he is now writer and our family seem to be doing little bit better than lot of other family in America today which is sad neh. hopefully thing will get better soon. anyway, we have found a lot of information about the Tkiv 85 and Tkiv 2000 sniper rifles and we are considering doing another series on these like we have done before on the AK 5 Basic and the series we just finished today on the Polish Beryl.
Now that bears more investigation. The barrel appears to be completely floated.
in the literature we have read on the Tkiv so far, they in fact did just that. the barrel is a free floating barrel design.
First you are right the 2 guys do look like twins.
not only is there interest, but we are interested, because it's really a very interesting rifle. wait until we show you the the Tkiv 2000. no cheating and googeling it neh. You are are going to either laugh or love it.
Now you are misspelling my name. LOL I will not cheat and will wait to see what you guys write about the Tkiv 2000 rifle.:-)
ok we fixed it. the more we read about the Tkiv the more interesting it becomes. It turns out that these rifles may in fact be the oldest weapons in use today by any modern military force. and it get better from there.
Have to be picky and keep you on your toes too. LOL Will be looking for to the read article.
I just happend to find your interesting site while searching some material related to finnish sniper rifles. As a Finn, and being on a field, this tool is pretty familiar to me. The reason why the guys on a photo look like a bunch of youngsters is, that we have a compulsory military service. Meaning that you can do your service as early as the age of 17 years old.More commonly you join between 18 - 20, depending a bit whether you are still in a middle of your studies etc.
And yes, the rifle, or the basically the breech is very closely related to famous mosin nagant rifle, since after the war we had plenty of those in warehouses and gun engineers were given instructions to use those as a basis for new sniper rifle concept.
welcome to the site.stick around a while and enjoy! is the projectile used in this caliber .308 standard american 7.62 or one of the .310-.312 caliber bullets commonly seen in european 7.62x39 and 7.62x45R? is the case based on the 7.62x54R?