too bad he didn't have a vest on under his uniform he wouldn't be sporting the nasty cuts hes got
A knife is considered a deadly weapon in North Carolina, therefore you are authorized to shoot to kill. Thank God.
but instead of shooting to kill why not shoot in the leg arme Ect?
Don't shoot to Kill, Shoot till they stop!
You engage center mass of the largest visible part of the body. Cops are liable for their stray rounds just like anyone else. I wish I could interrupt the State of the Union address or the Superbowl halftime show just long enough to shout "DON'T SHOOT TO WOUND!!!". Think about how narrow a target the arm or leg is when stationary, then add the fact that you almost never get a stationary target to shoot at in the real world. It sounds dumb, but you've got to understand that when you shoot someone, you are attempting to get them so stop whatever action they are doing that caused you to shoot them in the first place. The gun is an extension of your physical ability to project force and just as your goal in a fist fight is to end the confrontation as quickly and as safely as possible, the same goal exists when using a Tazer, OC spray, clubs, knives, or guns.
A knife can puncture a vest, but it takes a huge amount of force to cut through a vest. I saw a demonstration of this when I went to PDQ Police supply store in Salina, KS. I went in to buy a pair of Kevlar search gloves and the shop owner actually killed the sale of the more expensive kevlar lined gloves by pushing a straight pin through a piece of vest that still had a 9mm Black Talon round from an MP5 stuck in it. He slashed it with a straight razor and it was stopped. He ended up selling me less expensive thicker leather gloves. This guy was obviously not wearing a vest. He's very lucky the attacker used slashes instead of thrusts, as stab wounds have a much better chance of strking vital organs and arteries.
I am always surprised by how many people are carrying concealed handguns feeling like they are ready for any confrontation. And then when I begin to explain to them about the edged weapons advantages in a close quarters scenario, (especially if the combatant with the blade is proficient with it), they begin to look like they are tasting a shit sandwich. Among the list being some of the most obvious: Knives do not jam or misfire or run out of ammo. I used to quote the old "knife to a gunfight" adage until I received some advanced concealed carry training around 10 years ago. There are so many variables that I could never begin to cover them all here. For those of you that know this then Im not trying to beat a dead horse, but for those of you that have not been trained as such, please do yourself a favor and look into it! Respect the edged weapons EVEN IF YOU ARE PACKING!!!
the perp looks worse.
You shoot to stop the threat! When I took a shooting class my instructor explained that if you are in a situation where you pull a gun and fire a warning shot into the air(or ground) hoping that will make them stop. Even if it works and they go away that you could still be in trouble for discharging your weapon, esp. in a city
21 feet is the law in my state, for the legal distance to shoot an attacker with a knife
in Chicago,security for a high rise downtown .discharged his .357 after confronting 2 guys that had broken in and tried to ambush him with a pipe.
After they ran away he got the treatment for shooting his gun,immediate unpaid suspension and had to remain on suspension until his court date 2 months later.
He was cleared but reprimanded= no back pay.Appeal underway now.
not a very impressive material after it's cooked in the autoclave. It's impressive when in layers on the bias absorbing energy. It appears it is not very good against sharply pointed weapons like ice picks. I could wear 3 or 4 BP vests and still be very worried about a fellow with a edged weapon.
My father, deputy sheriff was not a big fan of just wounding bad guys...
Using your sidearm should (and is mine) last option.
i say if you bring a knife to a gun fight you get what you get.
No one is allowed within what I figure is 21 feet of me with a sharp object, period.
I will shoot until the threat is no longer a threat!!!
And no a vest will not make safe an attack with a knife.
Thanks for sharing this
Warning Shot, No such of a damn thing, Your instructor watches to much TV.
You don't know where the round will go. No, not in the ground, no telling where it will go. And in the air? get another instructor! When the bullet leaves the muzzle, you can't call it back! Shoot um in the leg, or in the arm, jus wing um! and get suied!
Double Tap,center mass! Or TWO ROUNDS, CENTER MASS, and ONE TO THE HEAD!
Yes, if Perp is running at you, he can cover 21 ft. in two seconds. You have less time to draw your weapon, and stop the attac!
Remember, at the end of your shift, you go home to your family,you don't care if the Perp goes home or to the morg. Better him than you. CLEET (Council on Law Enforcement, Education, and Training)in the St. of Ok. now Trains to stop the threat, at 25 ft.
no waring shoot here ether you tell him to stop you have a gun incase the dumb ass cant see ya pointing it at him and if he dont stop you shoot till hes stops inside 21 feet ,and as far as vest stopping a knife or what ever some have body plates that are knife resestaint
No warning shot, this is life, not the movies. Your going to get raked over the coals anyway, so shoot until they stop.
the muzzle of my weapon pointed at you, if you are not smart enough to figure out what comes next then you deserved what you got!
That's part of my wife's training. Don't talk to them & waist time, concentration, & give up your position totally, just punch holes. Your going to have to do enough talking after it's over.
OK, got some running around to do before the race, see ya all later.
have a good one!
Sam, excellent article!
I posted it to the my forum.
Knife in CQB is more dangerous than firearms, because pure fisics said that action is much faster than reaction.
action is faster than reaction, that is where situational awareness comes into play. If you are paying attention you can usually tell when someone is going to do something stupid and have a better chance of reacting.
I know that he know the 21 feet and 6 feet rule. From the first responder stand point. i have to say someone was looking over him.
Just like the statetroopers and the state of pa.trained me. Two in the chest one in the head. In 10sec you can get heavy knife damage or lose your life. I go with answer a .shoot him.