Criminal unloads AK47 on a cop!

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that cop was lucky as a motherf---er!!!!

4 years 33 weeks ago, 11:21 AM

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Kept a cool head, kept him alive

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 11:37 AM

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Mornin charles

shouldn't you be working on your cannon endeavors????

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 11:40 AM

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Mornin Hamp

Yep should be but neighbor is sick and I
don't want to bug him right now. He has
my tanks in his barn

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 11:46 AM

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I have

seen some of those videos of the bowling ball cannon, those things are nuts.
The sound the ball makes is kinda spooky.

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 11:50 AM

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Spooky is great

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 11:51 AM

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like the real thing, not a back yard project

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 11:58 AM

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Yes I

mean cool, I saw some of your posts from last night, full blown cannon,neat.

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 11:58 AM

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Morning gents...

Hows life for everyone this am..

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 12:02 PM

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could be greater if wind would lay down
Suns out, will dry out by tomorrow

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 12:06 PM

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doing well

and yourself?

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 12:09 PM

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Poor baby.. First nice day, im thinking about going back out to the range this afternoon.. And correct me if im wrong...but the hi pitched wa wa wa sound that Hamp was talking about.. Its from the finger holes right.. Does it effect the balls direction at all or not..

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 12:20 PM

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I'm sure it would have to throw the ball off ballance some
but I've seen them aim at 12 foot circles down range
and they are pretty good at it

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 12:22 PM

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INCOMMING !!!!!!

Run for your life

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 12:33 PM

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If the wife is better, i am going to try to get back out to the range.. will see.. right now have to go and check on her, and fix breakfast..

As a thought im not crazy about this video.. Happy for the Cop, but the deal is due to the "aromory" he suposedy had and all the loaded gun talk, its more "anti gun" than anything.. Least i can see a lot of anti gun types using it.. What diffrence is there between the felon who uses a knife.. You never hear the news say... He had a kittchen full of them...

I remember a story of a small bust they did in phoenix.. The family is sitting around watching TV.. The report says that when the police checked the home they found 500 rounds of ammo.. And someone said WOW hes a nut.. Think about it.. who buys 22 ammo in anything but a brick.. Not many, how many rounds in a brick..500.. So easy to make one of us "sound" like a fanatic.. (course we are so guess its ok...)

See you guys later..

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 12:41 PM

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I must really be a nut

I have 1,000 rounds on hand at any given time
and only about 1/2 will be 22 cal

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 12:53 PM

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Me too

I keep 1000 for the AR, 1000 for the Ak and 500 for my 9mm....
I may have a problem with ammo envy...lol

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 2:34 PM

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Hey y'all

Hey y'all. I talked to some of you a few weeks ago. I finally got my new pistol and it's fantastic! I got a S&W 40 cal. M&P compact and I got to shoot it this week-end. I'm still learning about this gun 'cause I'm used to a S&W 38 Lady Smith. I'm not experienced but I'm having a ball shooting. I've taken a handgun class but never done much target shooting. One thing I can recommend is a loader. I can't load the ammo in the clip (girl) 'cause my thumbs are too week but this loader is amazing! Anybody got any comments on my choice of best friend?

4 years 33 weeks ago, 2:55 PM

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orish.. You did well..

All the Smith products are good, and they decided to use the "Military and Police" name on an automatic for the first time in the weapon you purchased.. back in the dark ages Smith called thier model 10 the M&P.. and it was used by most LEO's, with the introduction of autoloaders in police circles they lost that business, and obviously thier trying to go after it again.. Your new BF is a great choice.. Couple of quick thoughts i think most of the "crew" will back.. An auto takes a little time to break in.. so dont be disapointed if you have a couple of "failures to launch" .. Find out (either see the vid here, or ask any shooter about the tap/rack drill.. On ammo try to get FMJ.. Don't get thrown by the hollow point, stoping power, bla bla bla stuff.. You have a round that if you hit center mass will stop a BG ..period.. be more concerned with being able to shoot a tight group and the weapon feeding all the time.. Winchester makes a great target round thats FMJ in 40 and most ive spoken with say they have NO problems with it loading.. We guys will kid ya if you call the magazine a clip.. be prepared, and yes the magazine loader is the only way to go.. my wife is a girly girl..and when ever we owned auto's she whould always use a loader and usually had a full mag before i did.. Good on ya!!

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 3:13 PM

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I may have to disagree with you here. For protection, Hollows are far superior to FMJ's, and using FMJ's in a defense situation may get you in some hot water. Prosecuters consider it "hunting ammo" and there's more chance for over penetration. Oh, and I don't think all Smith's are good products (sigma series) but thats just my opinion.

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 3:35 PM

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Thats sorta simple, and if you read the comment you will see its a BRAND NEW piece, and a brand new shooter.. So i stand by my point to get used to the gun she should use fmj's.. My thoughts here are to get the piece broken in, cause we all know fmj's (as a rule of thumb) are going to have less problems feeding than hp's..

Reap... I spent close to 20 years as a Lieutenant, and as a range instructor for DOC.. This is a new shooter, new weapon, and i want the experaince to be a good one for her, and not dealing with stove pipes in a piece thats not broken in. OF course HP's are going to be better.. as to the prosecuter thing, your much better off defending FMJ's over HP's .. and the killer thing they make out of an individuals decision to purchase HP's.. This i know for a fact.. I have been in court rooms and given expert testamony based on my postion and experiance.. Doubt if many have... I HAVE!

Also im aware of the quality issues with sigma.. I was trying to make a new member feel good about a purchase they were excited by... I never stated that all Smiths were good, i am well aware of the relative quality level of the piece .. In 94 i was selected by the State of Arizona to be part of an adhock committe that eventually replaced our revolvers when we transisioned to Glocks.. My intent was to make a person feel good about thier purchase.. Not to hurt them by implying as you just did that its not a good product...

Ms orish .. you did well just get used to shooting and enjoying your pistol..

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 2:37 PM

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couple of bricks of 22 so theres 1K.. have maybe 300 rounds of 38, little less than 150 of .32 colt (dont ask) and bout 100 rounds of 357..so a bit over 1500.. Sorta low but enough to last till i can get a good price on 38's and buy in quanity.

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 2:38 PM

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M&P's are good guns. If it fits your hands and you can shoot it straight, its the perfect gun for you.

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 2:51 PM

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It came with 3 different size grips so I was able to pick the perfect one. I only shot 50 rounds Sat. Shooting at a bulls eye about 18" dia. from 30 ft. I scored 50%. Not happy. By the last ten rounds it was 80% and I was pleased. I think if I can shoot 80% on the first day with my new gun that I will really be good when I've had a lot of practice.

4 years 33 weeks ago, 3:03 PM

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Your doing 10 yd shooting and hitting 80% of the rounds inside 18"..thats ok.. Have a feeling once you get used to it those groups will be inside 12" at 10 yds. Thats a good distance to start with. and if you keep working on it you will be amazed at how the groups shrink.. Good job..

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 3:17 PM

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I'm sure guys understand the feeling I've got right now. It's the most fun! I bought the ammo I'm using at Guns & Ammo and bought American Eagle for target shooting and Remington hollow points to carry. I'd appreciate any thoughts y'all have on what you recommend. Also, do you use re-loads? I'd never heard of a squib till I shot one with my 38. It scared the crap out of me. I don't want to have to worry about that with this gun.

4 years 33 weeks ago, 3:51 PM

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Always fun

to shoot a new pistol the first time. I took my new Glock 23 out this morning as it was spitting snow and put 100 rounds through it. My goodness, it felt great and handled as well as anything else I've ever shot. Now I've just got to find something like some Hornady Critical Defense HPs to load. Any ideas on other really good HP loads?

4 years 33 weeks ago, 4:00 PM

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? HP vs FMJ????

I'm confused. I had heard said that HPs were an EASIER defense on account of they won't go through walls and hit a guy in his rocking chair next door. I had never understood that reasoning because HPs are, obviously, meant to do more damage. You seem to be saying HPs are a more DIFFICULT point for that very reason. Am I understanding that right? If so, why do people claim the opposite, that if a prosecutor discovers you used FMJ, you're in more trouble? Or do they just go with whatever they have?

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I think you have it right. I've always been told that you should load JHP's for defense, because that is what they are intended for. I know they cause more damage, but it's gun ignorant people that we're dealing with. I think some people have the perception that since the military uses FMJ's that they are designed for offense. Anyway, I load JHP's because they work better and I'm loading ammunition that is intended to stop a threat for protection. If you take a CCW class anywhere, they will tell you the same. Don't load FMJ's for defense, not only because they're not as effective, but you'll have a harder time in court as well.

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Corbon DPX... or if you can find it, Federal HST

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 4:17 PM

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federal hi shok and the glaser safety slug, what do u think about em?

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hi shok

its proven. Good JHP. Its been around for a long time and a lot of LEA's have used it. It was the standard for a while that a lot of companies copied, kind of like hydra shoks when they came out. If I remember correctly, it may have soem issues with light barriers like heavy clothing and glass like a lot of HP's do. I think there is some newer cooler stuff out (I personally like anyhting that talons vs. mushrooms), but if it ain't broke.... Atleats you know it works.

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 4:25 PM

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JHPs

right now, ammo to go has Federal HST and Corbon DPX in .40. these are great choices in my opinion.

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4 years 33 weeks ago, 4:28 PM

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yeah reap

thats where i order my stuff, im thinking of buying some hst's, but i like hi shok, i like to shoot the heavy 180 gr

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180 gr.

they also have hydra shocks and win ranger bonded 180's

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yeah saw it actually

ive shot win rangers before both .40 and .357 sig

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And your right reaper i do have a lot of experiance, and its creditable, if you go to my pics you can see not only Dept. awards, but my retirement gift (framed badge and id) and i have given expert testamony.

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S&W M&P was a good choice. If you check their ads in the gun magazine they cite various police depts. that have chosen them. For self defense, I would advise you to buy various brands of JHP and see which one cycles cleanly through your pistol, with no failures to feed or to fire. Several brands have been mentioned by other members; all good choices if they feed well in your pistol. You've done the correct thing by selecting the grip insert that fits your hand the best. Now - practice, practice, practice! I think you're doing well by shooting at 10 yards now, and perhaps you should also try 7 yards. This is considered the "standard" self-defense distance - although things can happen at any distance. Go slowly to start with, concentrating on trigger control to allow you to hit your target and keep reducing group size. When you're able to consistently shoot a sub 3" group at 10 yards, then extend the range by 5 yards at a time, to finally arrive at 25 yards. For self-defense purposes, I don't thing you need to go further. I would advise you to find some cheaper practice ammo so you're able to shoot more for less. I've had good luck with CCI Blazer FMJ, but be advised that it may not group as well as your chosen defense ammo, which will be top of the line JHP. I also used reloaded ammo for practice. Be sure that your practice ammo has the same bullet weight and velocity as your defense ammo so that your point of impact will be the same. Good luck, and I hope it continues to be fun for you, as it is for all of us here.

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Thanks all

for the HP ideas. I'll see what I can find. CC class is the 20th and 21st of this month so I'll try to have some ready after the license is issued. I'm ready to go shooting again after my first outing. We only have to qualify at 10 yards which is a walk in the park. The first three series of five rounds out of the brand new Glock were spot on with less than two inch groupings. I poor boy rigged my target on a 2x4 with cardboard backing. I had almost as much fun watching the wood blow out the back as anything else. Then, I proceeded to destroy a metal spinning target at 100 yards with the AR-15 using the iron sights. I've hit the point where I like using the sights better than the scope. Lesson of the day.....don't shoot at a metal target in freezing weather even if it does say it can handle hits from .223 FMJ. It can't. Broke it in two places.

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